karen fáfreedmant( served as th chief assistantçó district attorney in the manha(ép d.a. s office.w3 both joined me now. michael cohen testified that trump had a lengthy relationship. have a listen. i was involvedñr in several these catch-and-killçó episodes. these catch-and-killt( scenario existed between david pecker and mr. trump along before i starte1 working for him in 2007. karen, explainxd us to the significance of david pecker coming back to testify to the grand jury today. yeah, so, there isn tñ2hp lo of question of factok here abou whether or not payments were made. that s not going to be proven by books and records, including the fact that these payments that were made, 11 of themjfñr while trump w+w■ sitting presmant, were made and false entriesxd we retainers. the question that is really for the grand juryw3 to decide ñiis3 trump involved in these payments? did he know about them? did hew3 know about the purpose? did he know that these
qok problem, do you think? well, there is the circling of ther whenever he gets in trouble. that happens with his base, and so i think part of that is showing up in the polls. but as ymg■t( mentioned, there the thing you re talking about. desantis is not an entertainer, so he can t be judged by thatfád )jáááu)(rp standard and he s a terrible politician. there s no part of him that actually shines, and when that doesn t happen, he can not get ahead, and also he refuses toe1 engage trump directly, even though trump continuesi] to enge him directly, so for that base, it looks like they1 one who is fighter up against someone who is not a fighter. ■ and also someone who seems like they have a glass jaw. i, for one, will get my popcorn ready for anyxd trump-desantis presidential primary debate on stage. that one, i will not miss, i ll tell youxde1fá that. charles blow, ap0jd(rpáe your reporting from waco, appreciate thank you for your time tonight.
oks like he s trapped and finds a way to wiggle his way out of it, it adds to the legend ofjf trump. so, for himçót( tot(r>ñ lean in thing he is being pursued about for that audience is on brand for him. good point. and charles, you also write in your piece, after trump s speech, i went back to listen to his first speech after announcing his candidacy in 2015. the tone and themes weret( strikingly similar. he hasn t grown personally orq politically since then. he s more sure of himself andq more vulgar, but narcissism isw still his engine. i agree with a lot ofiathat, bu i also and i want to get your take here when you look at trump in 2015 and 2016, even 2020, he s playing footsie with a lot of the extremists now that he s openly in bed with. he was playingçó footsie witht( qanon in 2020. now he s openly qanon. he was kind kind of playing
tim, i want to askxd you abo david pecker,ñi but given what karen just said, i have to ask if donald trump is getting arrested this week after his false claim of being arrested last week, if he s getting indicted this week, you know thd man, you ve been in legal proceedings with the man, what now? well, i think he se1 deeply afraid. everything i thinkñr there s two things motivating what he s doings7■ rightñi now. every donald trump action can either be explained through a self-preservation. he is clearly in self-preservation mode. i think watchingxd allen weisselberg, his former cfo, get fingerprinted and perp walkedq%% and media, forjf someone who thrive sustenance, the last thing he front of the media in a courtroom, and i think he is deeply afraid of that. i think he s also very well aware at this pointt( that evenf
advocateçóñilp and who lostzv■ joaquin, in the parkland school shooting. manuel, thank you so much for!u coming on the show. you were arrested for protesting at that republican-ledxd hearin today, there wasu school shooting. how does iti] feel seeing morelp families gofá through what you went through? well, it s the first time that i was interviewed becyál of complaining and speaking out, trying to prevent this kind of thing from happening, and 5a■ sulúnly, i keep on ñ)q%9 interviewed, butxd now it s because it was a school shooting, another school shooting>ó three kids, so, i think that it s time to try different things. we needokñr to allow ourselves pumpñiñiok up the volume and di disrupt, until we find what