what it s too political, who sensitive, we don t want to get involved. i have a real problem with that. i want to put up a map of nato and ask you, given that we do have mutual defense treaties. that s a real treaty between presidents and countries. we do have a mutual defense relationship with nato w countries. russia seems to be awfully cautious about not encroaching on a nato country.be what s th role of those bright green countries a member of which we areun in nato in this conflict? well, look, there s a big difference between a country thathe is part of the nato trea and a country like ukraine that isan not. the president hasne made it ver clear they re going to reinforce our nato allies, that s where our ships are going, our trains, all centered on putin thinking for one minute that he can go into a nato country. so the role is to reinforce. you know, i think there s a good debate to be had about what we could be doing for ukraine.