empathy. so the president is not somebody we can negotiate with. because for once, he s a hostage taking amoral person who makes no distinction between right or wrong. so i think that the compromise must be forged at the legislative level. that s congressional. and we should pass these bills to get the government running and then, then we can have all kind of discussions about border security, which we all support, by the way. and the other things that the president wants. i think the reason that he took hostages is, he cannot make a valid argument for a multi-billion dollar wall, because you know the $5.7 is only a down payment. he can t justify that wall on its own. on its merit. so he needs to take 800,000 people and contractors hostage. that s who we are dealing with, with the president of the united states. an amoral, lying person whose mind is changed, he returns as a
behalf. he has taken 800,000 federal employees and thousands and thousands of contractors hostage. and we don t negotiate with immoral hostage takers. we don t negotiate with hostage takers, why? because if you do the next time they will do it again. todd: there you heard it democrats in washington likening the partial government shut down to a hostage situation. joining us now with reaction someone who has actually been in a real hostage situation negotiation team in fact, dr. james mitchell, author of enhanced interrogation. he helped develop the cia s enhanced interrogation program and personally i intier gaite.you say the true he takers in this situation are the democrats. why? i think they are the true hostage takers because they are using the federal employees as human shields in order to keep the
taker. he makes no difference between right or wrong and he doesn t give a rip. he is a hostage taker because he has taken 800,000 of federal employees and thousands and thousands of contractors hostage. and we don t negotiate with a moral hostage takers. can you negotiate with him and sell that? here is what i will say. he has taken hostages, but these are human beings that need to be able to make a mortgage payment. they re worried their credit rating will go down. the catch 22 of the real stories right now is nightmarish. to me this is a human issue. i care about every one of those government workers that are not getting paid, that are cared about how they will live, and we