behalf. >> he has taken 800,000 federal employees and thousands and thousands of contractors hostage. and we don't negotiate with immoral hostage takers. >> we don't negotiate with hostage takers, why? because if you do the next time they will do it again. todd: there you heard it democrats in washington likening the partial government shut down to a hostage situation. joining us now with reaction someone who has actually been in a real hostage situation negotiation team in fact, dr. james mitchell, author of enhanced interrogation. he helped develop the cia's enhanced interrogation program and personally i intier gaite.you say the true he takers in this situation are the democrats. why? >> i think they are the true hostage takers because they are using the federal employees as human shields in order to keep the