for the report. some are saying this thing is going to be a dud. it is amazing of people use of what s going to be in the report. to the best of my knowledge, we never heard of mueller s voices. it was a conspiracy indictment without a conspiracy charge. the language of that indictment tracks our ordinary conspiracy indictment. there are a couple of data points. if people would go back to august 2018 and read the george papadopoul papadopoulos sentence memo. it says papadopoulos lied about his contacts with russians on dirt with hillary clinton and his own outreach on behalf of the campaign. that s collusion right there. and the final data point, you got roger stone talking about look, he s cooperating and colluding with a senior trump campaign official.
president s defense team to explore the possibility of a pardon. so it may not be that he actually committed perjury outright, but it does look like he might be having a little bit of trouble telling the whole truth. you know, that s going to get him caught up and it could subject him to another charge of perjury before congress. i think in the context of everything we know, it s very unlikely. okay. what about congressman schiff who said he hopes the counsel subpoenas the president. listen to this. if, indeed, mr. mueller decides not to issue that subpoena or figure out how to get the president in front of the grand jury, is that going to have been a mistake? yes, i think that is a mistake. i ve said all day long i don t think bob mueller should rely on written answers. the best way to get the truth is to put the president under oath. listen, glen, you said yesterday you believe a conspiracy indictment is coming.
wants to, but he has already agreed to forfeit something like $46 million in assets unrelated to the jail time he s going to receive here. that penalty is another gigantic piece of discipline that should be part of the discussion of what s happening to him. so you ll have manafort in front of amy jackson. let me ask you this because you tweeted this. don t despair at today s horrific injustice at the hands of judge ellis, the conspiracy indictment is coming, in my opinion. don t confuse mueller s silence on the conspiracy front with lack of evidence on conspiracy. justice is coming back. what i mean by that is, after spending 30 years as a prosecutor, the evidence i have seen even in the public reporting tells me that there was a conspiracy between the
however, bob mueller will get the last laugh. when he talk said about the havana room meeting, the cigar bar where manafort is giving over polling data, that is circumstantial evidence of a conspiracy to defraud the united states tode undermine our free d fair elections.ed everybody has confused the silence. he s saving the best and biggest charge for last. a conspiracy indictment is coming. and don t be surprised if we see paul manafort on the unusual hat trick of federal cases. what would you need to prove this in court? the president is like a rico leader. he s got people talking about advancing the ukrain cause,
president is still in office. you know, they could put forward a conspiracy indictment that includes the president as an unindicted coconspirator for political reasons. one of the things that really came clear out of michael cohen s testimony yesterday is that this is looking more and more like a racketeering or rico case that you have an overlapping group of players. you have an overlapping group of criminal conspiracies. you have an overlapping set of crimes. this is not individual instances. this is an organization that was involved in corrupt practices from top to bottom on a wide variety of fronts. and, frankly, there is no office in the country that is better at a rico prosecution than the southern district of new york which effectively invented it