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richard, if you don t like doma, i can understand it. put something up to the congress of the united states and change it. don t send it to the department of justice. you know what, that is a good defensible scalia-type situation. scalia was interviewed wunts and he he said, i like laws. this president said my first choice would be to have congress change it, but i can t get it. will this help him with his base? yes. i don t think it will help with our crowd. the mood of the country is changing. discrimination against gay people is no longer popular. some of the other polls are even less 50/50. ten seconds. moral truth exists and it doesn t change, and all things are not equal. but people s views on this evolve. pat, even you re evolving on this, i can tell. you re not going to change his mind. thank you richard and pat. very good debate here tonight. i think it was very civilized. up next, newt gingrich is probably running for president. today he maerd from a c
that i personally will continue to wrestle with going forward. he s wrestling with it enough that he decided not to defend the constitutionality of the bill that works against it. a pew poll, 48% of the country oppose gay marriage, 42% support it. as a whole, the country. when you break it down to independenting, 44% were in favor, 43% not. so the independent voters is slightly in fact let s just call it 50/50 on the line. no surprise there. it s not clearly a big benefit so why is he doing it? i said before it s his base. he s a man almost 50 years old, a constitutional lawyer presumably.
this president said my first choice would be to have congress change it, but i can t get it. will this help him with his base? yes. i don t think it will help with our crowd. the mood of the country is changing. discrimination against gay people is no longer popular. some of the other polls are even less 50/50. ten seconds. moral truth exists and it doesn t change, and all things are not equal. but people s views on this evolve. pat, even you re evolving on this, i can tell. you re not going to change his mind. thank you richard and pat. very good debate here tonight. i think it was very civilized. up next, newt gingrich is probably running for president. today he maerd from a college kid who asked him about his own marital history. sometimes reporters aren t as nervy as they college kids. he just said we re going to watch this.
popular, use the word popular. may be, but here he was in december of last year talking about his feelings on this issue of same-sex marriage where he opposed it, remember. let s listen. my feelings about this are constantly evolving. i struggle with this. i have friends i have people who work for me, who are in powerful, strong, long-lasting gay or lesbian unions. and they are extraordinary people. and this is something that means a lot to them, and they care deeply about. at this point, what i ve said is that my baseline is a strong civil union that provides them the protections and the legal rights that married couples have, and i think that s the right thing to do. but i recognize from their
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