and congress will take a broad view on that. dana, i don t want to one-up you but maybe reporters will talk to reporters. i tell you, nobody is listening to me anymore. the president expected to make comments before flying back to washington, of course. someone who knows what it s like to beat through difficult investigations, make it out through, deal with politics, karl rove, former white house deputy chief of staff, karl, thanks for joining us by phone, what are your initial thoughts and what sarah sanders is calling a total exoneration for the president. well, not total but clearly on trump campaign collusion with russian interference, total victory. trump campaign collusion in computer hacking of clinton campaign and dnc, clear exoneration there. in fact, i thought it was interesting the attorney general says despite the efforts of
york state? none of those are the slam dunks you see in this indictment against stone. but the question i m asking is could you bring a state charge under new york law for aiding and abetting for a hacking conspiracy or soliciting stolen goods? i think there s a stronger case for those crimes than you would for violations of campaign financial. if you have stone involved with a conspiracy to solicit stolen goods or aid and abet computer hacking, even if trump pardons stone, you could still have a new york state prosecution for stone, which means he needs to cooperate. as this was all happening, just for the last couple of days of you just answered the question i had. thank you. i appreciate it. because if it does go to you said state charges or if it goes to the southern district of new york, is that what you re saying? no, i m talking this is federal and state. so mueller and fdny are federal, and then the question are
goods or aid and abet computer hacking, even if trump pardons stone, you could still have a new york state prosecution for stone, which means he needs to cooperate. as this was all happening, just for the last couple of days of you just answered the question i had. thank you. i appreciate it. because if it does go to you said state charges or if it goes to the southern district of new york, is that what you re saying? no, i m talking this is federal and state. so mueller and fdny are federal, and then the question are different state charges, that means trump s pardon for stone would actually not let him off the hook. you might still have state charges. it s about two months before the indictment drops. it says person 1 stated in part word is friend in embassy plans 2 more dumps. impact planned to be very
possibilities. one clearest one would be if there was evidence that members of the campaign were involved in the computer hacking itself of the e-mails or planning how and when they would be distributed as opposed to just seeking information about what wikileaks was planning to do already. b there are other allegations that perhaps the campaign was agreeing to do things that favor bable to russia like changing the platform or offering to ease sanctions, so there are a number of other possibilities throughout in addition to the wikileaks information. thank you so much, sir, for coming on. pri appreciate it. your piece in the washington post for folks to check out. the shutdown just cost the u.s. economy now up to $11 billion. 11 million. this is as the president warns of another potential shutdown in just three week s time.
doubling down on the claim he is innocent after the indictment by the special counsel with seven charges of witness tampering and making false statements. joining me now is former prosecutor doug burns and news writer for vanity fair abby hyde let s start with you, danny. you see the list there of what he is being charged with in the seven counts roger stone is not charged with conspiracy does that surprise you two ways of looking at this one is mueller is waiting to charge the global larger conspiracy for strategic reasons. he may do so in the future on the other hand, the argument may be conspiracy. mueller may feel he doesn t have the strong case for collusion and commit computer hacking or