he s not going to bend when it comes to this. he s saying that now, but perhaps as time goes on and he realizes the seriousness of the charges he may give it a second thought. after all, he s a man in his late 60s he has to consider he could spend a lot of time in prison, maybe the rest of his life after considering that, people sometimes shift. let s shift to the shutdown. do you see that as a cave? what was the tipping point it was the good thing that the president gave in to democrats and said let s re-open the government when you consider all the people that were hurt and the millions of americans impacted negatively by the shutdown and the national economic ripple effects, it is a good thing the government has re-opened. i hope it doesn t shut back down
doubling down on the claim he is innocent after the indictment by the special counsel with seven charges of witness tampering and making false statements. joining me now is former prosecutor doug burns and news writer for vanity fair abby hyde let s start with you, danny. you see the list there of what he is being charged with in the seven counts roger stone is not charged with conspiracy does that surprise you two ways of looking at this one is mueller is waiting to charge the global larger conspiracy for strategic reasons. he may do so in the future on the other hand, the argument may be conspiracy. mueller may feel he doesn t have the strong case for collusion and commit computer hacking or
this is part of the larger attempt to target the president. i did forget that i had text messages from an old cell phone that were entirely exculpatory. did you talk to the president? i have not. he said roger stone and i never discussed this and we never did. i think we know the game wear stone down financially. make sure he is broke to plead guilty to the charges although he did not commit them then try to flip me against the president. let s turn to pete williams now who has more on the charges. reporter: frances, the charges do not accuse stone or anybody else of colluding with the russians to influence the election they bring the special counsel robert mueller investigation one step closer to the trump campaign involving a friend of trump s for more than 30 years roger stone was defiant after a