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me former deputy airy deputy cistern general. also with us, we ll carry all, rmer acting u.s. solicitor general. what is your sense of the potential importance of criminal referrals that the committee might issue? well, lawrence, you ve been talking about this major announcement from donald trump this morning, and i will just say there s a good chance that after these referrals that we re gonna see a donald trump digital trading card convicting him behind bars, because i do think that s where this referral is going to go. it s going to be, to say that [inaudible] he should be indicted, as a former president united states, but the evidence that the committee has generated paints that picture. liz cheney has already said that she believes that there is enough to have an obstruction of an official proceeding charge. so i think it s absolutely appropriate that if the committee appeals, that there is that evidence and it sure looks like many people do

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