commissioner constable say anything to mayor zimmer in words or substance along the lines of mayor zimmer s allegation. and this, mayor doherty said he did not hear commission constable say anything about quid pro quos or make threats to anyone. mayor doherty observed that zimmer may have been associating the subjects in her own mind, but that s not what constable said so the mastro report concludes that he appears to be telling the truth. we saw a problem with this. back in january, when zimmer first made her allegations, a reporter who knew that doherty had been on stage that night asked him that night. doherty told the recorder he didn t remember the conversation and remembered sitting in between zimmer and constable. and you can plainly see from the picture that doherty s memory was wrong there. given the fact that doherty had
hear commissioner constable threaten or use any language that implied a quid pro quo. mayor zimmer did most of the talking and commissioner constable most of the listening. it s my opinion any threat or quid pro quo would be opposite to constable s character as i know it. mayor zimmer is an excellent mayor of hoboken and someone i believe is honest and truthful. did he or did he not hear the entire conversation? the accuracy of the mastro report rests on that question. joining me to discuss why this is a crucial point, msnbc contributor brian murphy. he s a former managing editor at politicsnj.com. thanks for joining us, brian. thanks for having me on. at the end of all of that yesterday, at the end of the final question, i asked, i had to sum it up for viewers. he led me to a point where i thought he had narrowed the possibility of him missing the
to appear on the show, his office declined, but immediately helped us arrange an interview with dougherty instead, which we did. we had one basic question we wanted an answer to. did you hear the whole conversation between them or not? well, we re still trying to figure out what he said. the report is stating here that mayor doherty heard the conversation. the report is relying on you as an independent eyewitness who heard the conversation and can conclusively say that this did not come up. can you conclusively say this did not come up or are there parts of the conversation you did not hear? there may have been parts of the conversation i did not hear. what i can tell you for sure, what i did hear was about hazard mitigation. i never heard commissioner constable any way issue a threat or any quid pro quo. i did not hear commissioner constable in any way, shape or form threaten mayor zimmer. absolutely not. you re confident you heard the conversation? i m confident i heard that co
that s from her diary. constable has vehemently denied her charges. the mastro report sides with him and sides against dawn zimmer. sitting on that same stage with zimmer an constable on that night was matt dougherty. he is the independent eyewitness the mastro report relies on, one who supposedly undermines zimmer. mayor doherty heard the conversation between mayor zimmer and commissioner constable and was with them on stage before the start of the show and throughout the broadcast and doherty was well positioned to hear the conversation. he was at the end of the first row and therefore not speaking with anyone else while mayor zimmer spoke with commissioner constable. mayor doherty said he never heard commissioner constable say anything to mayor zimmer in words or substance along the lines of mayor zimmer s allegation. if continues, mayor doherty did no hear commissioner constable say anything about quid quo pros or r make threats to anyone.
so here s what i heard from matt doherty yesterday. he said he never heard anything like what zimmer is alleging but also said it s possible he didn t hear the whole conversation. then he said he thinks he does hear it all but also dawn zimmer isn t fabricating anything, even though he didn t hear constable say anything she alleges he said. he guesses it s possible he missed part of the conversation if they were whispering, then he quickly adds they weren t whispering. this is the man the mastro report is relying on. to discredit a major part of dawn zimmer s allegation against the christie administration. a man who back in january said he hadn t heard zimmer s conversation with constable, who didn t accurately remember where he was sitting on stage, who the mastro report now touts as a key eyewitness, as the key eyewitness who discredits what dawn zimmer is saying about richard constable. if you re not confused enough, we got this e-mail this morning from doherty saying he wanted to