In your testimony that the state department was in the lead, as we just confirmed, for the effort to get back libya on its feet, one of the things that has been encountered in the investigation of the state Department Conduct in libya is the overwhelming normalization, whether it be the attempt to reduce security personnel at diplomatic facilities or socalled normal levels or attempt to view the government of libya as normal host nation partners capable of providing protection like my colleague from texas just talked about. Did you encounter this normalization philosophy during operation odyssey guard . Yes, sir, i did. Could you elaborate a little bit on that . Yes. Or instance, there was a desire to create a new normal within , which wasnment basically redefining of what i would consider suboptimal. Would you consider it hostile . Yes, sir. Ahead, continue. The hostile environment we were dealing with, our interaction certainly was not with our interagency counterparts, but the low p
The local militias the local security is provided in libya, a normal environment, that we would have one of the normal glitches. Would you trust their loyalty to provide security for your front door . As a matter of embassy protocol, i would make sure they are vetted. This is the nature of libya right now. These militias consider themselves the army did you vet this is the challenge we have in this country. There was the central army so we would try to normalize the security situation. The red cross has been run out. We reduce the number of gun toters and increased local militias that we could not vet . It is highly risky. Traveling to libya, you can feel relatively safe because these militias provide a Neighborhood Watch program. Many of them are filling the void of the security forces. We need to look at how we use the word militia carefully because these are the security forces. Two years ago it was not normal in a situation, it was more dramatic, no way to vet people, and we have r
Do you want to comment . I agree with you. That is also very important. The testimony the three of you have provided, which i appreciate. Again, people can play politics with a tragedy all they want. The fact of the matter is, at the time of the tragedy and even this day, libya is a very unstable situation postrevolution. The object is to do the best we can to try to change that dynamic to create a more stable government that provide security not only for us but also for its own people. A fair statement . Absolutely. As i mentioned, since 2013, the u. S. Has been planning in helping the Libyan Government with forces. Our diplomats were involved with reaching out to civil society. Its a tough challenge. Realize a lot of this is on the libyan shoulders. This country needs to reach a broad, political reconciliation among its faction before they can be in in a position to receive outside help. When i talk to people in the state department, there is a sense where there is a lack of partners
I was told even before this if we had an incident, we could go in and rescue or resolve a situation. Do you believe we have that capability . If capabilities were in hand, then they could be employed. Thank you. Welcome to our panel. Let me pick up on that. You were not in the operational chain of command at the time of the tragedy . Not in the chain of command. I was serving in a staff role at that point in time. You are not making decisions. That is correct. I do not know if youre familiar with the fact the Service Committee on february 10 i want to quote from it and see what part of this you disagree with. My friend from florida suggests we could have done something from italy. Secretary peten secretary panetta, in consultation with general ham, general dempsey, and others, verbally authorized three specific actions. First, two murray and fast the tunes were ordered to prepare and deploy. Second, a special Operations Unit known as commanders cif, was ordered to move to a nato air st
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