that, it s a partisan world. he was national security adviser. he gave his life to the country. the flip side, we have the same crowd outside, out of irony or genuine, lock him up. that s the natural ping-pong effect and it s sad. that didn t engage me in any way, this is a man who served our country and we re at the point chanting lock him up. there s a tragedy to it. someone who had a decorated career, went so off the rails, obama told trump not to bring him into the white house. he worked with stan mcchrystal and did have a brilliant chapters of his military career but a lot of people that were his peers thought something went kind of wacky. something went awry. he came back. he was politically radicalized. extremely devoted to the destruction of iran. and saw this new sort of axis of rogues or whatever you want to call them and was very warm to russia. so the idea that the trump
daniels. if it s not a campaign expense it can t be a campaign contribution. it is not a campaign. giuliani is arguing that the payments aren t illegal because they perhaps could have been made for personal reasons not just political reasons. he made the same argument back in may. he also admitted this. so you re saying that stephanie clifford made these allegations, told donald trump s lawyer. and denied them and said it wasn t true. imagine if it came out on 2016 in the middle of the last debate. so to make it go away they made this. cohen didn t even ask. he made it go away. he did his job. right. joining us now former federal prosecutor. is his argument legally sound if
suppose. sort of. mr. cohen, i hope he goes to jail, goes directly to jail, go not pass go, do not collect $200. the story is his cooperation with the mueller team. the documents from the southern district of new york indicate mr. cohen didn t really cooperate with him. why is that? i think the reason is because not because he was playing off a playboy model but because cohen because of his decade long relationship with trump and the trump family knows a lot about dirty money that goes well before the campaign. the story is whether cohen in the documents acquired by the feds implicate mr. trump or his family in dealings that precede the campaign. i think that s what we re missing here and i think that s why people want to talk to cohen dil still. you have been watching all of this. you watched what michael cohen says. you worked in the southern district of new york. what do you see here now that we
someone who is very scared about what is to come. who s concerned about cohens cooperation. on december 7, federal prosecutors in new york recommend substantial jail time for financial wrong doing. mueller punishment for lying to congress can be served concurrent. for the financial crimes. cohen said he would take a bullet for donald trump. in my experience very few people who wear suits to work can stand up to the idea of many years in prison. cohen didn t. he cut the best deal he could for his family. unlike paul manafort he is committed to cooperate. he s gone down the path and he s not coming back. it could be very dangerous for donald trump. he surpassed the ambitions of college years. not in the way he would have
of binary coop rating, not cooperating. michael cohen wanted to cooperate a little bit and not completely. okay. that s what i mean. explain that to me. cooperate and turn on trump but not turn on his own family members, ie family members invest in him or businesses. is that it? cooperation is a term of art. to get that substantial assistance worthy of a 5-k-1 motion, a biggest downward pull on a sentence you have to give the substantial assistance in the sole opinion of the government attorneys who are deciding whether or not they like the information that you have given them and if they deem it not worthy of substantial assistance then they can call it helpful. they can call it of benefit to them. but it won t be substantial assistance and that s what cohen did. apparently drew some lines of his own. red lines where he said i will go this far and will go no further. the problem is you can t negotiate that way with the government when you re working out a cooperation agreement. th