way in the child welfare system when their parents have been charged with neglect and abuse, so why on earth would we do that to parents who have not had any charge like that at all? the slipperiness of this as a policy is part of any charge like that at all? the slipperiness of this policy is what has been hard to cover and hard i think the general public to keep track of whether or not progress is being made and attended by this administration. part of what i feel like you were getting at today in some of your questioning and some of your other colleagues is the issue of whether or not the administration actually has a coheerc coherent policy on this. whether there were still ways that families are being separated even when the administration says the policy broadly is over. do you feel you and your colleagues are getting to the bottom of is this happening and