days before republicans assume the majority in the house and likely dissolve the january 6th committee, members released a new batch of testimony involving efforts of those closest to the former president and their attempts to overturn the election. i m pamela brown in for anderson tonight. and included in the new transcripts is testimony by donald trump jr. and remarks about what he believed was a, quote, sophisticated legal rationale to overturn the election, as in overturn the will of the people. one nearly identical to what his fathers allies would soon attempt. and there is also some rather unflattering testimony involving first lady melania trump s opinion of trump jr. and others in her husband s inner circle. also tonight, new details of a purported conversation involving senator lindsey graham who said he would become a champion of these baseless election fraud claims if the president s allies could, quote, just give me five dead voters. it is a lot to unpack. let s s
i ll go out and talk about it. i think later in that system it appears lindsey graham said hey, there is no proof here. i m not going forward. i never did anything with it. there is no there there. there is a lot of testimony to read here. if the viewers tonight are looking to spend the next couple of weeks reading through things, sara is doing yeoman s job reading through all the transcripts. but there are hundreds and hundreds of pages. i was reading through some of them today. it s very interesting. there is acknowledgment on the capitol police epic failures. ray epps deposition, a guy who is kind of an fbi plant. lots of interesting things to read in there. but i think cassidy hutchinson was high point of this whole hearings. should have done a mike job after she testified. i want to go back to what we learned today in this testimony because, david, you re saying, look, he was just trying to say give me something credible that i can go out. but five, you know, dead voters
i think what the department of justice is going to try to do is get convictions. they re not going to be able to do that with the president. they re going to do that with other people. really quick, john, do you agree with that? i don t necessarily agree with that. i think an overwhelming case, proof beyond a reasonable doubt is out there against trump. it s really going to be a question of do we prosecute a former president, not whether we can and have it nailed, which i think they do they re blowing away all the privileges that are appearing in this report, people like cipollone and others who now have had to testify in front of the grand jury. different game in front of the grand jury. all right, sara murray, john dean, david urban, great to have you on. thank you. still to come tonight, congressman-elect george santos latest conflicting statement, this time about when his mother died. was it after 9/11, as he has said? or some time much later. we re going have the latest o
is not enough to go it and celebrate, as he said he would do if they found that. well, no. he wasn t asking to find voter fraud on a scale that would impact the election results. it appears, according to:00 according to this testimony from christina bobb that he wanted to be able to use that to sow doubt about the election results. i m wondering what you think about this, john dean? what kind of window does this offer? i think david is right on this one. graham was toying with this, not sure what to do. he had no solid evidence to go public with, and he was looking he wanted to help the cause. and he did help the cause. he didn t actually get what he needed, but he still started pounding the drum. this is so much information that s coming at us from these. it s actually like drinking out of several water hoses simultaneously. i look forward to studying the
something symbolic that i can go out there and talk about and use in donald trump s favor. yeah so, i can continue to sow doubt about the election results. sara murray, stay with us. i want to bring in cnn contributor john dean, former white house council for president nixon and cnn political contributor david urban, a republican strategist and former trump campaign adviser. all right, so david, you heard sara lay it out. we all know the former president and his allies were obsessed with finding voter fraud. but now we re learning more about what was conspiring behind the scenes with a sitting senator lindsey graham saying according to this testimony, give me five dead voters that i can go out and champion. your reaction. so what i think lindsey graham is saying is give me something credible. give me something plausible that i can go out and take to people. not some scatter brained notions that are being flown around the internet. lindsey graham is looking for proof, what other peo