the president can look like these fighting. even if he wins, our borders are going to be insecure. i want to understand this. you are saying that president trump if he wants that money for the border wall can get it, but he needs to make a deal, but doesn t want to make a deal. he wants a campaign issue. am i hearing you correctly? it has to be that. this is like falling off the table. the democrats easily would support more border funding, border security. they said that. 25 of them came to the floor and voted for something that provided $25 billion worth of border security. in exchange for dealing with the dreamers. and republicans want to deal with the dreamers. let s talk about all of this. joining me right now is ben ferguson and strategist and cnn commendator, hillary rosen. good to see you both. you first. the president didn t get it done in two years.