chance to skim it and my colleague tom winters is doing a deeper dive as we speak. there are a couple interesting nuggets in here. one is that remember it had been reported paul manafort turned over some internal polling data to oleg deripaska, the russian oligarch close to putin. we learned from this transcript rick gates, manafort s right-hand man, deputy chairman, was a source of information for prosecutors. there s also a lot of the argument in this hearing had to do with lies that manafort allegedly told about his relationship with a man named konstantin kilimnik, who as you know, nicolle, has been called a russian intelligence operative, somebody with connection to russian intelligence, by the mueller team. he was a translator, coordinated manafort s relationship with the russians and ukrainians paying him. there s a mention in here by manafort s lawyer that seems to suggest mr. kilimnik was advocating the lifting of
the big reminder here, gates is out there, flynn is out there. mueller was cooperators and documents galore to actually catch anybody in exactly these lies. this is a hearing that he could have won. and we don t have the ruling yet but it sounds like he won t because mueller marshalled chapter and verse to say look at the lies he told. again, it was about kilimnik, as ruined a guy as manafort is, he s still scared, wary, too respectful to cross kilimnik. what that is about what happened before and the exact kind of deal jeremy is talking about is profound. i have to say as the one campaign veteran here, there s no normal reason for an american presidential campaign to give anything to russians or pro-russian people, not even a button. ken dilanian, as you keep skimming, keep your shot up and
fredration and said we re going to kick out all of these intelligence officers and the entire jelgs community expected the russians to react ferociously as they would normally but in fact mike flynn was saying to them, don t react. we got your back. coming to coming to office in 20 days. was that the red flag he needed to go down and say we have questions for you. we know mike flynn lied. he got caught lying. we know trump tower meeting was not about adopss, it was about sanctions, we know there were contacts with russians about lifting sanctions. what is left to sort of flesh out what sorts of evidence remains needed to tie this all together? we ll know when mueller talks but this is a very big reminder, it s always been the third rail that caused all of the lying, caused flynn to lie. even today why was manafort basically lying when he had so much to lose, ten years as they say they took back? it was mostly about kilimnik.
jeremy bash in on this. jeremy, i remember you blew my mind, and i said at the time you blow my mind, you described paul manafort one time as possibly being a russian plant. i didn t think you were crazy because you re brilliant. but the idea blew my mind. you were suspicious. i don t think like a russian but i m starting to. i think it s time for rosetta stone class in russian. talk to me about not just development but take another run of explaining this development to my and my viewers, but this line in the investigation, what does it tell you mueller is seeking? the development seems fairly logical, first and foremost, rick gates is trying to get a lower sentence and save his own skin so he s dishing on things he saw inside the trump campaign. he obviously was privy to the fact paul manafort funneled polling data assumingly pro prioritiary analysis, not just public polling data, clue