level than i think we re even used to. what do you think when you hear this? part of what i think is that if this conversation had been taking place ten months ago when you started writing the piece, i would have been pushing back at both of you very volunteer cyphersly over the use of the clintons as a thing, because one of the things that s a really good point. that we have to point out is that the post white house years for bill clinton, which is when he forms the cgi, when this relationship with doug band becomes so complicated, these are the same years which hillary clinton is embarking on her entirely politically independent career, she s a senator, running a historic race for president and is running the department and they re basically talking on the phone. exactly. and as alec s great piece and the piece in new york magazine make clear is there has been a ravine between clintonland, which is bill s world and hillaryland. these are two separate worlds, and i
lawyer by the name of allen kessler, jumps into action, just makes calls, e-mails all around the postal service saying, please fix this. doug band could go to capitol hill and cause problems for us. doug band is so-and-so and we need to buy we have to pay more money for this post office in sarasota because the right-hand man of the ex-president of the united states called me on the phone and said so. exactly, and there s a wonderful exchange of e-mails that i got in a freedom of information request through chatter about chelsea s wedding and a lot of sort of clinton land isn t this just the way that all of the 1% roll? like couldn t you just do the same thing on the bushies, on any prominent like this moving back and forth between public and private, like that s just how everyone works, right? it is how washington works these days, and that s a real had problem. what i think sets this apart is the scale of it. the amounts of money involved that are sort of swirling arou
he could have just taken a regular, successful business route. he stays with president clinton, stays in that role of assistant, travels all around the world with him, just hundreds of cities, dozens of countries, on the private jets for all these years and becomes basically the main guy. yeah. if you want to get bill clinton to come to your event or get to him, you go through doug band, basically. exactly. so, what s the problem here? what is the the scandal is in the headline of your piece. like to justify the use of that word to me. well, the use of scandal was a bit of a headline writer s irony, but, no, but there is a problem, and the problem is that there s been increasing overlap, really between both for doug band and for sort of bill clinton and clinton land as a whole, overlap between the great public good that they ve been doing, including doug band. doug band helped come up with the clinton global initiative, which has distributed billions of dollars around the wor
out for the interests of the postal service and the taxpayer and all that. and places the call and this guy, this man, a philadelphia lawyer, allen kessler, jumps into action, just makes calls, e-mails all around the postal service saying please fix this. doug band could go to capitol hill and cause problems for us. doug band is so-and-so, and we need to buy, we have to pay more money for this post office in sarasota because the right-hand man of the ex-president of the united states called me on the phone and said so. exactly, and there s a wonderful exchange of e-mails i got in a freedom of information request through chatter about chelsea s wedding and a lot of sort of clinton land isn t this just the way that all of the 1% roll? like, couldn t you just do the same thing on the bushies, on any prominent like, this moving back and forth between public and private, that s just how everyone works, right? it is how washington works these days and that s a real problem. wha
that s supposed to be looking out for the interests of the postal service and the taxpayer and all that. and places the call and this guy, this man, a philadelphia lawyer, allen kessler, jumps into action, just makes calls, e-mails all around the postal service saying please fix this. doug band could go to capitol hill and cause problems for us. doug band is so-and-so, and we need to buy, we have to pay more money for this post office in sarasota because the right-hand man of the ex-president of the united states called me on the phone and said so. exactly, and there s a wonderful exchange of e-mails i got in a freedom of information request through chatter about chelsea s wedding and a lot of sort of clinton land isn t this just the way that all of the 1% roll? like, couldn t you just do the same thing on the bushies, on any prominent like, this moving back and forth between public and private, that s just how everyone works, right? it is how washington works these days