russian and almost no one in ukraine who doesn t understand ukrainian. the ukrainian leadership today people like clich kov, these are people who are much more comfortable speaking russian than ukrainian. this notion there is this deep hostility towards the russian language, towards russian culture, ethnic russians in ukraine right now is not true. but you say that even those these russian speakers want to be part of the west? absolutely. and it s not the other thing i would say is what i was very struck by this week is for ukrainens this was less about a choice of the u.s. and russia, and more about a political choice, a belief and reality that the regime was deeply corrupt, was deeply violating of human dignity and in the end, murderous towards its own people. it was a rebellion against that and the perception which is the reality that in backi ining you