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said all of these eits, waterboarding, hanging people from the ceiling, was not torture. so that led to all the horrible misdeeds in the field. but if you have lawyers of courage and intelligence and integrity in the first place, who said you know what, don t do this. a lot of these problems would have been avoided. i think the trouble for a lot of people in this discussion right now is that they re saying, boy, if these guys won t call it what it was, and own it, what else does that mean that we need to know about going forward? clark kent ervin, thank you very much, appreciate the perspective, always a pleasure. we re having this conversation because it matters to you, let us know what you think, tweet us @newday or tweet us by name. he has ruled it out repeatedly. so why are there signs pointing to a another mitt romney presidential run? john king tells us, inside politics. the holiday season is here, which means it s time for the volkswagen sign-then-drive event. for practica
sir. thank you. joining me here in the studio now, once again clark kent ervin, robert pape. clark, let me start with you. it would seem to me that there is no understating how important this 19-year-old suspect is right now in that hospital room. how valuable is he going to be to this investigation? well, that s right, craig, he s absolutely critical. we hope of course that he recovers and he s well enough to cooperate if he chooses to cooperate. as i was saying earlier, the history is that these suspects do tend to cooperate. he can explain his motivation. he can explain how he was radicalize d why he was radicalized, also with regard to his brother. more importantly he can tell us whether there are others involved in this plot, whether there are other explosive devices. again, there s no apparent reason to think that the answer to those questions is yes, but we need to find that out definitively and no one is in a
apartment as well. i want to bring james cavanaugh back into the conversation, msnbc analyst, retired atf special agent in charge. he s also a former hostage negotiator as well. james, i want to pick up sort of where we left off last hour. do the devices and the tactics that these two deployed, do those things indicate specialized training or outside assistance? well, that s a great question, craig. i feel like there s more contact than just the self-radicalization by themselves and the internet. now, we don t know. we really don t have those facts. but you know i ve been listening to your guests, mr. ervin and professor pape, and these are top people in the field. i have read professor pape s stuff. as a bomb investigator, there s the bomb and there s the bombers. and, you know, they have done a great job at the chicago project, i hope your viewers value the unbelievable deep information that he can provide
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