to have a form of justice downtown for donald trump. you know, one of the failures in our politics was this fail euro of imagination, people couldn t imagine running against hillary clinton and joe biden in the way trump did, so crass and surviving things like the release of the access hollywood tape. are there any parallels to be drawn with the rule of law? is there anything that people haven t imagined in the terms of the kinds of ways that we protect jurors? i was going to say, what we re encountering right now is donald trump against the criminal justice system. right. just as we saw him encountering the civil legal justice system with e. jean carroll in the civil fraud case, and so lawyers and courts and court staff i think are not accustomed to having to deal with somebody who will not abide by the norms. or a gag order. or a gag order. with respect to the jurors and what we re seeing happening in realtime in terms of the threats to them and the concerns they have abo