last month, secretary of state blinken went to beijing for meetings with chinese leaders including xi jinping himself. the state department said that the two sides had candid, substantive, and constdestructi discussions can is a way of saying there were no diplomatic br break-throughs. now, more of my interview with antony blinken. when i travel around the world, particularly when i talk to asia diplomats. gui guess a message that they re wonder where this is going. whether there is now a kind of ongoing ratchet effect or tit-for-tat, the united states puts certain kinds of restrictions on china and china will respond and is there a responsible stable equilibrium. as one said to mae, are they doe
my first guest today is america s diplomat in chief anthony blinken. the biggest crisis during his tenure has been russia s invasion of ukraine. blinken has been deeply involved in holding allies together and maintaining close contact with the ukrainians. we met on the side lines of the aspen security forum on friday. mr. secretary, pleasure to have you on. great to be with you, fareed. tell us what you could sense is what is going on in the counter offensive that ukraine is managing, attempting it russia? so far the reports seem to be it is very slow and very tough going. well first, put this in perspective. in terms of what russia sought to achieve, what putin sought to achieve, they ve already fail and lost. the objective was to eliminate ukraine from the map and to assume it into russia. that failed a long time ago.