it seems like the president is really extraordinarily focused on whether cohen is going to decide to cooperate with bob mueller. not with bob mueller directly, but the southern district of new york. if the president hasn t done anything wrong he has nothing to worry about. if he has done something wrong, he should worry a great deal about michael cohen. michael cohen always professes loyalty. i want to mention something about loyalty we don t often talk about in the city. it s a one-way street. in general most politicians don t have loyalty to the people who have been loyalty to them. after the politician cuts their ties, that loyalty will wear thin. if michael cohen is in any legal jeopardy and his freedom can be taken away, i don t think there is any doubt in my mind that he would cut a deal. the other thing is there s no loyalty when you re facing ten years in prison. if you don t believe that, ask sammy who flipped on the gotty family. that was the a case mueller was involved i
fire mueller, which we don t know yet. we just don t know. michael cohen has been involved in so many aspects of this investigation and different facets of this investigation, whether it be potential money laundering, whether it be deals with regard to trump tower and russia, whether it be with stormy daniels. he s just at the center of so much of this that it s really difficult to say what mueller and the southern district are look into and what they re actually homing in on. of course, we will see once mueller comes out with his report. but as of right now michael cohen is the lynchpin of all this. he s essentially the vault. that s why it s so dangerous for the president right now. you know, marcy wheeler, who blogs at empty wheel, who s very good on stuff like this, made a point pointing out that in the mueller filing regarding the manafort case mueller argues that his jurisdiction includes charging a subject who could ultimately flip and become a witness against someone in the m
investigation and different facets of this investigation, whether it be potential money laundering, whether it be deals with regard to trump tower and russia, whether it be with stormy daniels. he s just at the center of so much of this that it s really difficult to say what mueller and the southern district are look into and what they re actually homing in on. of course, we will see once mueller comes out with his report. but as of right now michael cohen is the lynchpin of all this. he s essentially the vault. that s why it s so dangerous for the president right now. you know, marcy wheeler, who blogs at empty wheel, who s very good on stuff like this, made a point pointing out that in the mueller filing regarding the manafort case mueller argues that his jurisdiction includes charging a subject who could ultimately flip and become a witness against someone in the main investigation. so according to at least what mueller has argued in a filing with manafort, his investigation would
briefing the last year. there is clearly double standards and clearly politics at play. as i said before, you don t have to have a degree in chemistry to analyze this. michael, what is the these notes? the fbi has a long history of documenting every conversation. i think in this case what we are seeing is the contemporaneous note writing by mccabe and ultimately by comey served just to corroborate their version of what went on. what is interesting you re stacking level upon level of ka r . when you have memos that track each other and tell the same story it gives reliability to what ultimately the witness says. so i think in this case mueller has got what needs to talk about what went on and ultimately what
allowed to go forward, what has happened has happened. it s an internal department matter. it may be unfair and unseemly and wrong, but in any case mueller has to this is the moment people need to step up and say mueller has to be protected. for folks who have not gone near their devices for the last 40 minutes if may be hot to the touch when you get to it because as you can imagine social media is also blowing up, i m going to ask all our guests to stay in place while we widen the conversation just for a brief moment and bring in another member and that s katherine lucy, white house reporter for the associated press. katherine, as i said, one of the things i wrote to say on this broadcast tonight earlier tonight in a far simpler time was that the west wing had escaped a friday evening and by midnight eastern perhaps had escaped the week without another departure. there have been several. they have shaken up a lot of what passions for the veterans who have been there since day one,