you re going to create jobs, but $300,000 per job. is that the best bang for the buck we can have? you re better off giving the money back to the people and spend it because we ve seen that the private sector spends it more efficiently than the government does. they re not first i m going to say the cbo is the congressional budget office and it is seen as a nonpartisan group although many people disagree with a lot of those figures. brenda: go ahead. i wouldn t always say that they re accurate, the claim that the stimulus didn t create job is a false claim. really jobs. and the cause and effect. brenda: hold on, let caroline go. and it s very it costs a lot of money though, caroline is saying. it s expensive, you know, this is the only area where they re seeing growth. public spending is the only area we re seeing growth. we re not seeing it in the private sector because there s simply not enough demand and there won t be enough demand until the unemployment rate co
never comes in an x, it s always 2 x and estimate the cost ballooned 2.5 billion dollars. another great example of the obamas don t just get economics. brenda: caroline you wouldn t argue it costs more, but you say it s worth the investment. it s absolutely worth the investment. in fact, the price of fossil fuels right now is massively underreported because we re not accounting for health costs, climate, deterioration, degradation, pollution, we absolutely need to move to renewable resources aen we need to do it quickly and we also need to move to energy independence. right now we re em broid in the middle east and we wouldn t be there if we weren t reliant on foreign oil and short sighted for us to talk about the cost of this and not the actual cost. toby, you say our energy bills are going up and you ve got to look at the cost. certainly, if you remember,
government does these things, if you want to do it and the energy supply and other benefits you jack up the costs. if you do that, the telephone because we pay a higher bill so other people can have it. i ve got to get eric in here, a short segment. listen, 23 years in the energy business and tobin started to hit on it. it s the safest, and most economical and we can do it in north america, wind power doesn t work, it s expensive and you have to be, by the way, it has to be windy where you use the power, doesn t work, stop subsidizing. and the bottom line is energy bill, tax bill could go up? absolutely, way up. thanks everybody, especially thanks to caroline for joining us. can t end the show without talking about crazy shoppers. what they re doing as we speak that might make one spot from crazy profits and more food companies backing down. and why eric says that it s
is bulls and bears, gary b smith, tobin smith. jonas max-ferris, and eric bolling and caroline from occidental college. two different stories we re hearing and what are you buying? the fed s version, originally 7 1/2%, but they recently came out to 9.1%. that s the real unemployment rate. i m guessing that s going to go forward, and the obama administration cannot take a victory lap for creating or saving the jobs the cbo says things are going to be worse. the reality is 9.6% unemployment. 14 1/2 million americans still out of work, it s not working, stop the stimulus. brenda: what is working, caroline you re saying are more americans and the stimulus because of the stimulus. it s a nonpartisan body that analyzes data and they have come out with a report that says during the third
do we think this front line of keeping the bombs off the plane is worth more than a postal worker or a park ranger? if so, we need to pay more than those two people and also, again, because the job sucks. and they are advertising on pizza boxes toby. nobody flies more than you. what do you think, should we pay them more? oh, my gosh, first off, let s not pay them more, but let s do something really important, let s take a system that s worked for 20 years, we ve had zero problems, it s called el-al, the israeli system. they would get rid of 75% of the tsa guys and hire expensive people that actually keep the bad people from getting near the airports. it s called profiling. it s called intelligence. it s worked actually for 32 years in israel and it would work fabulously here and we should pay the intelligence people big money. brenda: caroline, they have far fewer slights obviously in israel than we do, but the system does work there. do you still think paying tsa agents governme