you're going to create jobs, but $300,000 per job. is that the best bang for the buck we can have? you're better off giving the money back to the people and spend it because we've seen that the private sector spends it more efficiently than the government does. >> they're not-- >> first i'm going to say the cbo is the congressional budget office and it is seen as a nonpartisan group although many people disagree with a lot of those figures. >> brenda: go ahead. >> i wouldn't always say that they're accurate, the claim that the stimulus didn't create job is a false claim. >> really jobs. >> and the cause and effect. >> brenda: hold on, let caroline go. >> and it's very-- it costs a lot of money though, caroline is saying. >> it's expensive, you know, this is the only area where they're seeing growth. public spending is the only area we're seeing growth. we're not seeing it in the private sector because there's simply not enough demand and there won't be enough demand until the unemployment rate comes down. >>, but the keynesian argument is that the government steps in, provide the spending and