his power. against that backdrop there s more interest in this notably at times obscure hearings. this is what we re dealing with. it is 400 pages, this thick. this is the report, supposed to guide the facts today. as a prosecutor watching the hearing, putting as much politics aside as you can, how much of what you saw in congress was following these facts versus just trying to layer right over them with other views? as a prosecutor, criminal prosecutor, i worked for all moefrt two decades with the fbi on many, many sfrp warrants and many, many wiretap applications. i think what gets lost in all of this, and i know frank will back me up on this, is when you are working on an investigation like this, and you re beginning the initial investigative steps, you don t know if you re looking at pretty much the whole picture or
claims by the trump administration which included the thought that maybe they were targeted, politically targeted. horowitz, who did find some problems in the probe was saying just there that didn t really happen. i m joined by former federal prosecutor carol lamb, former civil prosecutor maya wiley and fbi assistant director frank figliuzzi all with me at the table. in washington we have chief foreign after sfars correspondent andrea mitchell as well as nbc news correspondent heidi przybilla. i will obviously go to andrea mitchell first, who walks us through so many of these big washington moments. andrea, i think it s fair to say that whether or not you have a law degree or follow washington closely as you do or follow the fbi or the state department or all the other international intrigue, this was at times a fairly weedsy and confusing
senior justice reporter ryan riley and msnbc legal analyst carol lam. well, i guess when you hear the word jeopardy here, carol, this seems to be rife with a whole bunch of risks for rudy giuliani. we haven t heard from him as of late during all those public testimonies that we heard on the hill. where does giuliani sit right now in the case the democrats are trying to make? i don t want to get too far ahead of the facts that we know, but there seems to be no question the risk profile for rudy giuliani is getting higher. so this is what we know. we know that in addition to the facts that you just reviewed, we know that parnas and fruman have been indicted for campaign finance violations related to misrepresenting the source of funds that went to u.s. politicians that actually came from foreign governments. right around that same time period of those actions, parnas
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that july 25th call and the resulting pressure campaign that president trump had on ukraine. and if they keep it simple, then they can keep those numbers inching up. but democrats know that they re not going to get a wave of support that would lead 20 republicans to defect in the senate. carol, what is the best way to talk about those topics in terms of public? this is the process. this is why we re doing it. this is what warrants or does not warrant articles of impeachment. you you remember your civics class. you probably remember them better than most given what you do. and have done. but what s the best way to explain this to america? well, you do have to keep it simple. that s that s true whenever whether you re trying a case to a jury or whether, in this case, you re doing a political process for the public. you do have to keep it simple because people are busy. they re they re not able to focus on this 24 hours a day. but what i think what what makes the ukraine s