reformer. you know who would be a real reformer is virgol i o. i think we should keep one eye on him. he s an argentinian. he knows rome inside and out but he s gone back he was supposedly the number-two guy, a runner-up in the last conclave, getting 48 votes. those are rumors but pretty substantiated rumors. he went back. an argentinian bishop elected him the president of their bishops conference. he is loved, he is simple. he is a jesuit but he s also taken on more extreme elements of the jesuit community. yes, i think bergelio is a reformer and big possibility. do you state course or do you go out do you stay the course or do you go outside the box? we ll know soon enough.
started over an hour ago? it did. they were supposed to have two votes this morning. the thinking was that they would vote during fox & friends first and we believe they did. and that they would vote again. and if both times they didn t get 77 votes, the smoke would pour and we would know there is no pope. what we know is there is no pope. but we may know a little bit more. here s what the insiders are telling us here. all day yesterday, all of this morning here in rome, the overriding thinking was that cardinal scola of milan seemed more as a reformer really than one who would be backing in other words, one who believes we need outside voices to come in and help us with the problems that the church has and with spreading the message to sort of underdeveloped areas from a catholic church perspective. the thinking was that he was the front-runner. here s how everyone here is thinking about it. that is that scola was the one who had the votes of the reformers, et cetera, and that t
now that this may be a moment, 45 minutes from now, we look back upon with some embarrassment if we go too far down the road trying to read the tea leaves or the appropriate term, the pope signal, if they wrap up the conclave within the first full day and the evening, really talking a day and a half, that typically that means that one of the only problems just to remind our audience, some of those, we were talking about figures like cardinal angelo scola of milan, italy. cardinal marc ouellet, cardinal scherer. but we should say, there are only 115 people who actually have the answer to the question that son the front of all of our brains. we ll find out soon enough, chris. right.
unanimity of the body of cardinal standing behind their new leader, the cardinal, and 1.2 billion catholics around the world. such a big deal to know who it is. we know the name of who this man is, it is going to be a window into what this decision is about. fair? it will. in the past, the name the pope picks has traditionally said something about what that pope will be. will it be a traditionalist or a reformer? some indication will be given by whatever name this person is given. i ve said before, we tended to say one of the leading kennedys, ca candidates, cardinal scola, is more of a reformer. i don t know that s the perception, mostly in the united states, has. i think because he s an italian, cardinal scola, and because he s associated with cardinal ratzinger and his theology, he s seen as a traditionalist in people s views, even though he s never worked in the vatican.
be, who they re calling the traditionalist, cardinal o malley. this is someone who has reformed the archdiocese of boston. franciscans have been reformers of the church. i would like to switch those terms around and if speculation is that cardinal scola walks out on the balcony, i think people in america, from our perspective would say, a little more of the same old, same old. if a traditionalist walks out on the balcony, i think the church would say it is about reform. when cardinal was elected in 1958, people saw that as same old, same old too, and he stunned the world. so i think what is going to be very important, particularly if it is someone who is seen as a traditional figure, such as a cardinal scola, the oriole day will be important because people will want to see, having now stepped into this role, will he