you believe, if you believe in anything at all, the pure fact of the situation is that you can talk about reformer or traditional and draw it up any way you want. if this new pope of the catholic church isn t someone who is immediately identified with a different type of accountability, so that money can go where it is needed to go, to help the poor in the world, the primary mission of the catholic church, he is not identified as somebody who is going to take new and bold steps to ensure that the moral standard of catholicism as it is expressed, it is pure to uphold itself everywhere. this is going to be a very troublesome moment for the catholic church. always interesting, chris, who does the definition there is the media of the definition, the church, just today at the press conference, we have father lombardi, the issue of father mahoney came up and obviously
conclave? well, because they re cut off from the outside world, they don t know. unless this happened and they were able to communicate with cardinal mahoney before they entered into the conclave yesterday, they have media silence. it s not like they can go back to their rooms at the domus santa marta and put on the tv and check their e-mail. so there is a chance they re operating without really having any knowledge about this. correct. it really depends on how when that went down, and were they able to notify cardinal o malley since he was involved in that. obviously so it s possible that they have no idea that this happened. we look at these pictures of the black smoke, and it was really interesting. john was on the air and i was watching it. about 20 minutes earlier, everybody thought the vote would come in. how likely does it make it that the next vote, in fact, will be aim successful vote? well, as john allen just said, we really don t know. there are lots of scenarios
good evening, we are looking live at the vatican where 115 cardinals are getting well deserved rest tonight. we saw the plume of black smoke showing no pope has been chosen. they will be back in the sistine chapel, deliberating. two votes in the morning followed by possibly white smoke. if not, two more votes in the afternoon. meanwhile, in california, a priest settles a lawsuit against a los angeles archdiocese and cardinal mahoney. he s in the conclave helping to choose the next pope. we ll get to that. we begin with a story of courage and grace. valerie harper, an award winning tv icon from the mary tyler moore show. she s speaking out about her illness.
world, not just the roman catholic world wants to see a better roman catholic church. all of us, regardless of our denomination want the pope to do a good job. the world needs to know the good news. so many times, scandal, corruption, the darkness of the human condition, the result of sin, becomes the headlines every day. we are seeing this thing with cardinal mahoney. i think it s unfair what s happening to him. i don t think he s acted differently than any other cardinal or bishop. they have all participated, to a great extent in the cover up. the fact is that s how the church operates. they operate in secret. it s a generalization. you are saying every cardinal in the world acted that way? it s not true, albert. where do you get your
cardinal mahoney and of cardinal o malley. they are all men of the church. and i think in many ways, the institutional church has invited people, throughout the years. and this is founded in christ and in others, that it was well documented with the founder that the church knew of these things and didn t want to talk about it and didn t want to say it because they wanted to protect the image of the church. the church needs to own up to what is going on. priests, in many parts of the world are frustrated. they don t see vatican two as something that is a priority anymore. it s something of the past. they would like to see more women in positions of leadership and see a church that speaks to the 21st century in a new way. that had not been happening. to deny that is to deny reality. the church is not opening up to the contemporary world. certainly transparency is something a lot of people talk about that they would like to see more from this vatican. granted. i think that certainly i