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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 07:16:00

Here s what she told us. she was wondering, she said, why it was taking so long for paramedics to treat the intruder she shot. i thought maybe i had grazed him. and when i got into the cruiser i said, what s going on? why didn t why isn t the ambulance leaving? and deputy vaughn said, he doesn t need an ambulance. and i thought, oh, [bleep], now he s really going to be mad. now i m really in trouble. what do you mean, now he s really going to be mad? well, i had fired a gun and called 911. he could have lost his job. lose his job? he s going to be mad? oh yes. cara ryan knew who her intruder was. knew him very well indeed. coming up so embarrassing. i had never sent suggestive text messages, let alone body parts. cara shares an eyebrow raising new detail about what happened in her bedroom. it was mortifying. what she claims set the intruder off. that s when he became violent. when dateline continues.

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 07:45:00

Had that that bad crash in his police car. when we got there very shortly thereafter, he had an actually, like, a hole in the top of his head. bob jones is a former st. petersburg police officer and j.j. s good friend. his knees and feet and everything else got hung up around the steering wheel. then, from that point on, multiple back problems, multiple back surgeries. and that, said cara, is when he started drinking heavily, all day, every day. at home recovering? yes. depressed. depressed, yeah. he recovered eventually, she said, and took that job as an investigator at the medical examiners office. but he was in pain most of the time. he kept drinking. and that s when he started using the oxycodone for the knee pain. sure. that was prescribed, right? yes. but it became chronic. and he was unpredictable when he was on it and off it. cara told detectives j.j. liked his work with the medical examiners office, but the horrific crime scenes he witnessed took

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 07:34:00

Around as she tried to make cell phone calls. or maybe she got those marks having sex with her new boyfriend. cara told them it was pretty wild sex that i haven t even thought about since college. the detectives looked at text messages between cara and her new boyfriend sent a few days earlier. well, they had text messages back and forth. tie me up, tie me down. talked about putting certain type of lotion and bite marks or bruises, and they talked about handcuffs. the injuries on your wrists, the text from him. he said he would bring over handcuffs again and again leave some marks. i said, are you bringing your handcuffs? well, and he said, get prepared to have some more bruises.

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 07:25:00

He worked from 7:00 at night until 7:00 in the morning. i was joking around, why don t you just skip work and come over. so, you knew he couldn t. you were just teasing him. yeah. so, she said, she sent the very same x-rated selfie and a similiar invitation to j.j. and j.j., though he was seeing someone else, came right over. would he have thought of it as breakup sex? maybe a one last go around with my girl. yeah, we re all nostalgic. there s a country song, we don t have to be lonely tone. you know, and then tomorrow we ll go our separate ways. cara told detectives that as she and j.j. were in bed together, he phone kept beeping. incoming text messages. chirp chirp. yeah. so i ignored it. it was scott. it went off again. and i told him, just ignore it. just ignore it. and he leaned over and he grabbed the phone and he opened it and he said, who the hell is scott holderbaum? that, cara told police, is when j.j. saw she d sent the same picture, the same invitat

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 07:36:00

Happened. cara changed her story. remember, she told 911, my ex-husband raped me. i shot him. breaking into your home. but now? she said she didn t know who was coming into the house. somebody was in my home, whether it was jay or jack the ripper. i was scared. somebody came in the house unannounced. could have been j.j. or it could have been jack the ripper? really? i mean, did what did you think of that? she thought her story, you know, needed to be embellished. i m going to ask you very, very bluntly and very honestly, okay? okay. did the rape occur? it did. let me ask you this point blank. did you know that was john coming through the door, and did you shoot him purposely? no, i did not. i would not shoot john purposely. but you shot that person purposely, correct? in that moment. i was scared. you were scared, why? i had an emotional night. i didn t know what was happening, and you know what? i just i wish i d never gotten that gun. talking with

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