arrested. it is exactly the same principle arrested. it is exactly the same principle here. when you overstep the mark, principle here. when you overstep the mark, we need to use the law to bring the mark, we need to use the law to bring you the mark, we need to use the law to bring you to the mark, we need to use the law to bring you tojustice. the mark, we need to use the law to bring you to justice. bring you to ustice. cameron, is that true. bring you tojustice. cameron, is that true. you bring you tojustice. cameron, is that true, you are bring you tojustice. cameron, is that true, you are alienating - bring you tojustice. cameron, is that true, you are alienating the| that true, you are alienating the people from your cause question mark can i ask if any of those protesters outside the conference party have had a space on the bbc news today, are they being interviewed like myself? we are missing the point, really. unfortunately we have to because this disruption
alienating people do, you re losing your message by these destructive actions. 50 your message by these destructive actions. , ., ,, your message by these destructive actions. ,, , actions. so you think people will actions. so you think people will act less on actions. so you think people will act less on the actions. so you think people will act less on the climate - actions. so you think people will act less on the climate crisis - act less on the climate crisis because of what we have done? i just because of what we have done? i ust wonder if there i because of what we have done? i ust wonder if there are i because of what we have done? ijust wonder if there are better ways of getting your message across. igtgte wonder if there are better ways of getting your message across. we have been t ini getting your message across. we have been trying that getting your message across. we have been trying that for getting your message across. we have been trying that for 30 getting
difference will it make? with me is aled luckman, conservative councillor for alvechurch and chair of the west mercia police and crime panel. cameron ford is also with us, an activist with insulate britain. it is good to have you with us this afternoon on bbc news. cameron, maybe i can start with you. i wonder what you have heard of what the home secretary said this afternoon and what you will do differently, if anything, as a result of these new laws. i anything, as a result of these new laws. , , ., , laws. i believe you were ust saying she is going laws. i believe you were ust saying she is going to t laws. i believe you were just saying she is going to criminalise - she is going to criminalise interference with key infrastructure. so, that would effectively be criminalising themselves because the way that things are going, if they do not reduce their co2 emissions, we are going to say roads literally washed away from flooding. it is great she is getting these laws in for hersel
that protesters and activists like cameron have? that protesters and activists like cameron have? ., ., cameron have? i think the government have committed cameron have? i think the government have committed to cameron have? i think the government have committed to ambitious - cameron have? i think the government have committed to ambitious plans - have committed to ambitious plans that they have committed to ambitious plans that they will absolutely meet. they are fully that they will absolutely meet. they are fully committed to meeting them, and i are fully committed to meeting them, and i am are fully committed to meeting them, and i am seeing on a local level in my division and i am seeing on a local level in my division and in my county council area, my division and in my county council area, we my division and in my county council area, we have my division and in my county council area, we have declared a climate emergency. that ensures that the support emergenc
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