as trump s lawyers are arguing? or is that claim not just constitutionally wrong, but also say license for future presidents to commit crimes while in office, as the justice department argues? and on the eve of a hearing on the question of whether trump can be prosecuted for his actions while in office, we are learning incredible new details about what donald trump said on january 6 and what h did and did not do. thanks t testimony, to the special l closest aides, the deputy chief of staff dan scavino. from that reporting, quote, sources say scavino told smith s investigators as the violence began to escalate that day, trump was just not interested in doing more to stop it sources also say that the former trump aidk luna told federal investigators that when trump wa informed that then-vice president mike pence had to be ush rushed to a secure location, trump responded so what. luna saw an unexpected willingness by trump to let potential harm come to a long time loyalist. and
but ali, i want to hone in to what you pointed to in that interview. the comments she made about not certifying the election or not quitting to certify is the tremor of an earthquake that could cause a tsunami after the election. they are already laying the groundwork maybe they don t have to certify a joe biden win if biden wins, that s extremely dangerous for democracy and we re not ready for it. claire, you remember in the 2020 election when friendly reporters would ask donald trump if he would accept the results of the election. he started laying the groundwork months ahead that he would not and now, elise stefanik is doing this. what do you make of why? elise stefanik actually was an important person in the republican party, till is but there are a lot of important people in the republican party who either remained republicans or who have left. who have said we will be conservatives and republicans in the future, but this man is
dangerous. why is elise stefanik not that person. first of all, calling elise stefanik a pretzel is not fair to pretzels everywhere. i think she is something that has decided that political power is more important than principles. that being close to power is more intoxicating than holding ton the constitution. and this is an educated woman. she knows that there s a way that we determine whether the actions of legislatures and states are constitutional. she knows that all kinds of litigation occurred in pennsylvania. she knows that none of those cases were successful in the rule of law was applied fairly and across the board. she knows all that. so, this is a little bit like lindsey graham disease, you know, he was all for john mccain, and now a man that is publicly mocking john mccain s
injuries for being a prisoner of war, i don t know, i just don t think politics is ever worth this kind of debasement. it is such a comment on their character, on their integrity. it is disgusting. and, you know, i think elise stefanik is probably going to get what she deserves. she will be very close to donald trump. whether he wins or whether he doesn t win, but i don t think history will be kind to her. i don t think that parents are going to tell their daughters i want you to grow up and be like elise stefanik. you are the company that you keep. just a point, for the viewers talking about ancient history of graham making fun of john mccain, he does it again this weekend. and one more complete capitulation of donald trump, coming up next, she s now calling for secretary of state lloyd austin to resign. we ll give you the details of
differently. he has acknowledged that. now, the question is does he deserve leaving the office because of it? well, watch carefully the people on the armed services committees. watch the republicans on the armed services committees. it s one thing for elise stefanik, who i think we ve previously identified as someone who has the integrity of a slug, it s one thing for her to say that he should resign. it s a completely different thing for roger wicker, for example, the chairman the ranking member of the armed services committee in the senate. he s asked for a briefing. i think that s appropriate. i think on a bipartisan basis the s.a.s. members are going to want to be briefed on exactly what happened and making sure it doesn t happen again. but i would be surprised if the republicans that serve on the armed services committee they know this man has a lot of respect at the pentagon and among the armed services. they know he s done a good job leading. they know this is a very difficu