basically. just this whirlpool of grievance. i met him more than ten years ago in london. cadir told us rich or poor, he had caited or not, extremism doesn t discriminate. he s a champion for chanterrori long before it happens and young muslims make the choice to become a terrorist. hey, jim. been a long time. and you, my friend. and you. do you have a sense of how many young people you helped during that time? we maid we made a huge amount of difference over the years and grew from a small organization to delivering into 11, 12, different parts of the country and abroad in pakistan. we helped people understand that they have a stake in society and in life to do things differently. i can t describe how much how grateful i am towards him. it took us a bit of time.