general assembly. so i struggle to stay if he ever raised it, but not at the time of the 25 july phone call. i m switching gears a little bit. you strike me as a process guy. and it is nagging at me, because you characterized the ambassador sondland linking in whatever way it happened of aid to an investigation as the gordon problem. you said it caused you to roll your eyes. ambassador volker said it was everybody in the july 10th meeting felt it was inappropriate. john bolton characterizes it as the drug deal, so it seems like everybody in the room understands that there is a huge problem here. my understanding is that it would been normal course of business when you have in abbasid are out there going rogue as apparently there was consensus ambassador sondland was doing. that either john bolton or the secretary of state might bring them in.
mr. giuliani and president trump to want to the burisma investigation was to further political benefits and digging up dirt or getting some information on vice president biden. that s what you learned subsequently, right? it is correct that i learned about the president s interest in investigating vice president biden from the phone call transcript gained much, much later. from giuliani i did not know that he was actively pursuing this. i did know that he raise this with me directly and i push back on it. well, you knew that ambassador sondland was pursuing this at the july 10th meeting when he raise the investigations himself prior again, he did not specify biden, he did not specify burisma as i recall either. i understand it as a generic comment, and something not appropriate for that meeting. i understand, but biden was not mention, but you do agree when investigations are referenced in this context, it
i was thinking of burisma in 2016. you understood that that s what the ukrainians interpreted investigations to be about to burisma and the 2016 election? i don t know specifically at that time if we had talked that specifically, burisma and 2016, that was my assumption that they would be thinking that too. now, mr. morrison, when did you have that conversation with fiona hill about burisma and the parallel track, parallel process, rather involving ambassador sondland and giuliani, do you recall? a number of handoff discussions between one july and 15 july. so in that period of time, you were certainly aware of this effort to promote to this burisma investigation that ambassador sondland and rudy giuliani were going about? at least you had heard about it from dr. hill? i heard about it from
the past, right? yes. so that does not really move the needle whether it is current or past in terms of the subject of the investigation, right? yes, the investigation of things that happened in the past. you talked about the meeting that you had on july 26 with president zelensky and ambassador sondland inc. ef, is that correct? on the 26th? i had a meeting with president zelensky, yes. and i believe you testified that the topic of investigation did not come up at all, is that correct? i do not recall them coming up, just the general phone call. you do not take notes of that phone call? no, i did not. you had other staffers to do that, right? correct. there were two staffers that testified that the subject of either sensitive topics came up, are we that are off taking their word for then years? i have no reason to doubt
and president zelensky. the next day you meet with president zelensky and ukraine. then we have ambassadors bolton meeting with him. then we have vice president pence meeting with him. then we have u.s. senators johnston and murthy meeting with him. and guess what, and none of those meetings, not a single one did security assistance dollars in exchange for an investigation, not once did they come up. did that conversation come up, is that right must mark that is correct. not once. no discussion of aide or investigation, and as he testified, and never believed aide or investigation was ever being talked about either. in any of the conversations. that is correct. what happened in those meetings? they all became convinced, and the same thing that you knew. the same darn thing. he is the real deal pit he has a legitimate reformer. and they all came back. they all came back and told the president.