white house chief of staff who was also close to the romney campaign. the democrats have a big advantage on this. both sides microtargetted. the democrats, however, took it to the next level. rove insists that republicans can compete and will even win the new political arms race. that will excite many gop partisans who just want a victory. will the new way of poll techs just the give us better manipulators rather than better leaders. what happened to old style political gut and leadership where you are trying to sell an idea he to people and convince voters the idea is worth voting for. in. you put your finger on a good thing. if you rely on the data to dictate everything to you you make no room for leadership. the responsibility of leadership is not sim yum to follow but to mold public opinion in the right direction. as we very just seen, data is power. how would you feel about a new government data center big enough to collect and store
people? well, you know, the originalists say you go back to 1793 and say what the framers had in mind. the framers couldn t have contemplated dna banks, we have to ask ourselves where that line should be drawn. now where i draw the line is externality versus internality. i don t want the government to know what my dna says about my jeanet genetics. i am less concerned with them taking pictures of me walking down the street without knowing that i made a phone call here or there. that maybe the line we can live with. the line between externally seeing you and then internally finding out more about you. it s not a clear line and even the externalities involve great intrusions by being able to put the dots together and figuring out the internalities by learning so much about the
government is doing is lost at the moment. targeting is where the current environment failed hmiserably i making sure that we re looking more narrowly at people that are real threats and real challenges. it s unacceptable to take a vacuum cleaner and hold on to the information. we have to have targeting in order for people to have trust and this to work. if you drowned yourself in information then boston bombers and other people basically hide in plain sight. all right. well, first of all, i don t think there s a lot of stuff on me but just in case there is, i don t want them holding on to it, okay. right. all right. bill and steven you ll rejoin us in a few minutes but first, should edward snowden be charged and tried as the traitor. the government has a better chance convicting him as a thief. he ll explain why when we come back. i d like to hear from you. go to mikehuckabee.c
attack. what they re doing now is taking in all of this magnitude of much more data and it s making the job much more difficult. they re making themselves dysfunctional. that s to me an important question. we re getting so much information. we keep talking about the needle in a hay stack but are we making the hay stack so big we ll never find the needle. technology has changed a great deal and we have programs that can go after the data but i think that the principles that bill outlines are correct and should be guiding what the government is doing. a couple of the challenges we have is that we have foreign agencies, actors, terrorists, others that are going to be actively attacking our systems and surveilling us and our government needs to be monitoring a wider range of things than was technologically possible in 2000, 2001. we as consumer versus to recognize that when we give data voluntarily out into the cloud and by our consumer behavior it s not just companies using it. govern
b steven yates is a former deputy assistant to vice president chaney and ceo of d.c. international advisory. he spent the first five years of his career at the national security agency. gentlemen. glad to have both of you here. thank you. bill, let me start with you. i don t think this is really so much about edward snowden as it is about the programs and their value to the country and whether or not they violate the constitutional rights of americans but i do want to ask, if your view, is edward snowden a good guy or a bad guy? well, i certainly think that what he has done in exposing these programs is a great public service. this kind of what i think of as unconstitutional activity by the government needs to be addressed by the public openly so we can, as a country, decide whether or not we want our