people into politics is a good thing, i think, right or left. you want that. i think what people are concerned about is the tactics. we re talking about shutting the government down, talking about not raising the debt ceiling. these are rather extreme tactics to negotiate the budget rather than just doing it to not completely unprecedented. we ve shut down the government before and survived. we haven t done the debt ceiling thing, which is the next crisis coming. if we have a choice and it seems like at this moment the choice may be to inoculate with the government shutdown now or deal with the problem of the debt crisis next, is it better to just go ahead and shut it down given that we have shut down in the past? well, neither is a good option. governing would be better. better is to govern and deal with budget disputes through the legislative process, and republicans also remember the political backlash they faced after the shutdown in 1996. i want to stay right there bec
having health insurance and subsidies, they won t want to give it up. you can look at the transcript. we told you before when it comes to policy and budget disputes, the party is united and always beats the party that isn t. it s hard to look at the gop and view them as a party that is united. the most immediate push is about getting consumers to sign up. president obama claims signing up will be as easy as buying a plane tick or flat screen tv. i can tell you that in many states across the country, if you are a 27-year-old young woman, don t have health insurance, you get on that exchange you will be able to purchase high quality health insurance for less than the cost of your cell phone bill. the white house is unveiling a report which they state shows that the first detailed look at
newt gingrich stared down bill clinton. he shut down the government over budget disputes. it turned out really badly for republicans. newt s popularity, the gop s brand was damaged. clinton s popularity just kept going up and up. this time speaker boehner who is leading a republican congress that s practically tailor made for shutdowns. the budget disputes are so wide and significant, they ve always managed to avoid a shutdown. he was part of the leadership team in 1998 and learned from that. i guess, i wonder how long can that go up. i keep hearing them talk about that. keep hearing talk about it and then at the end of the day, what you get is these very small budget deals, right? you are just kind of leapfrogging from one deal to the next. so we re never we re not shutting down, but we re also doing this every crisis of confidence. crisis management. so i don t know how long they can sustain it. i m wondering from you, you also talk in your piece about
and which could be the big surprise. there are not one, but two americans whose names are in the mix. we ll talk about it. and plus colorado becoming a hot bed of controversy over gun control. one state lawmaker ignited a fierce outcry after proposing a weapons ban, specifically targeting our veterans. and a teachers strike turning ugly in one town. substitute teachers being identified as scabs. their personal information being plastered all over town, hand delivered to people s door steps, adding to a growing debate about what is appropriate or fair and what are thug tactics in these kind of budget disputes. it says, why is he a scab? and it takes about him crossing the picket line. who knows what guy this goes through, i don t know the circumstances, but i m sure he s just a guy trying to work.
a couple of points. there s kind of a steeplechase of hurdles one after another. first funding the federal government through the rest of the fiscal year. then they have the debt ceiling which is probably another occasion for another round of budget disputes. and then the republicans have to come out with their long-term budget. i think if history is any guide i mean, both sides are looking to 2012 to strengthen their hand against the other in the long term budget fight. if you look at 95 and 96 with bill clinton and the republican congress they collided for two years. after the election they were able to make a deal. in 97. i got a feeling in talking to geithner this morning he has that kind of time frame. if obama is reelected and republican reelected maybe 2013 they can do a deal. meantime they have to find a way to keep the government running. that s where we bring in martin katy. at this point do republicans feel contrary to what happened