that was the next white house chief of staff, general john kelly, at the aspen security forum with nbc s pete williams last week. joining us now, charlie sykes, editor in chief of right wisconsin and an msnbc contributor, and joining us by phone, steve schmidt, republican strategist and an msnbc political analyst. i want to give you free rein to talk about this news, but let me tee this up. that is who i think may be the big turf winner in what s happened in the white house today, and that is vice president pence because we now have a white house chief of staff who does not know anything about the legislative process, does not know anything about the contents of tax legislation, about how to move a senator or a house member one way or another on budget bills, on any of this stuff. vice president pence now can step forward and say, leave all the legislating to me. in effect, leave all the governing to me, the domestic governance in this white house.
[ laughter ] nice. that was the next white house chief of staff, general john kelly, at the aspen security forum with nbc s pete williams last week. joining us now, charlie sykes, editor in chief of right wisconsin and an msnbc contributor, and joining us by phone, steve schmidt, republican strategist and an msnbc political analyst. i want to give you free rein to talk about this news, but let me tee this up. that is who i think may be the big turf winner in what s happened in the white house today, and that is vice president pence because we now have a white house chief of staff who does not know anything about the legislative process, does not know anything about the contents of tax legislation, about how to move a senator or a house member one way or another on budget bills, on any of this stuff. vice president pence now can step forward and say, leave all the legislating to me.
forum with nbc s pete williams last week. joining us now, charlie sykes, editor in chief of right wisconsin and an msnbc contributor, and joining us by phone, steve schmidt, republican strategist and an msnbc political analyst. i want to give you free rein to talk about this news, but let me tee this up. that is who i think may be the big turf winner in what s happened in the white house today, and that is vice president pence because we now have a white house chief of staff who does not know anything about the legislative process, does not know anything about the contents of tax legislation, about how to move a senator or a house member one way or another on budget bills, on any of this stuff. vice president pence now can step forward and say, leave all the legislating to me. in effect, leave all the governing to me, the domestic governance in this white house. steve schmidt, might that be the biggest turf grab that we see? well, lawrence, i don t often
their annual budget bills. this is what the rule is. but right now the biggest concern on capitol hill from both sides of the aisle is that this is another case of trump legislating, trump creating policy on twitter. senator mccain said this serves again to show that using twitter for policy is not appropriate. the authorities on capitol hill were not briefed, folks at the e pentagon were not briefing and are left scratching their heads, is it the first front of a long change. leo shane, thank you to you both. i want to bring in jackie spear who serves on the arms services
administration and there s been she s had pushback for working for him which is partisan politics but the idea that maybe jared kushner needs better counsel. this is monday. where will we be on friday? well, the amazing thing is your whole list there and everything we are talking about, none of it is health care, infrastructure or anything else and there s some major budget bills they have got to get through. the president is just, sure, you could say congress can do that, two things at once, whatever, they can just ignore the president. fact is, they can t ignore the president. i will be interested to also hear, you mentioned jeh johnson s testimony before the house intelligence committee. he s already privately met with the house intelligence committee, senate intelligence committee. when he goes out and speaks publicly, it will be interesting to hear his perspective because he was one of the signatories to that assessment in october in which the intelligence community believed