and so it s shocking to me that they re unwilling to do the basics, to have a fair hearing, to get not only corroborating witnesses to testify, to have mark judge testify under oath and to allow both of these witnesses to be heard. senator gillibrand, appreciate your time. thank you. thank you. joining us now, cnn political analyst kirsten powers. cnn chief legal analyst jeffrey toobin. carrie severino, at the judicial crisis network which is supporting judge kavanaugh. kirsten, clearly judge kavanaugh is categorically denying all the allegations. does it help him or hurt him going into thursday, do you think, to have done this interview? well, i think it will help him with the people that they were targeting which is the base. and so that s why they chose fox news. they knew it would be an easy interview and it would be a sympathetic interviewer which it was. i actually don t think he did that great of a job, if you re just an objective observer.
by mark judge about his heavy drinking, about the books, about what judge kavanaugh wrote in his own yearbook. i would like questions to be asked about these very issues because these are relevant facts of the time that the fbi is not investigating. is it relevant that professor ford did not tell anybody contemporaneously or even for years afterward? well, anderson, if you know anything about the history of trauma, this is normal. this is exactly what happens. if you undergo this kind of traumatic event as a teenager, as a child, rarely are you going to tell your parents because you ll fear you ll get in trouble, you ll fear that you will be blamed. you feel guilty, you feel badly, feel like you did something wrong. so, oftentimes they will certainly not tell their parents and may not tell anyone for years, even decades. that is the hallmark of truth in a sexual assault survivor.
let me help you out, anderson. they don t want mark judge to testify because he s not going to be helpful to them. i think it s very obvious. the new yorker article, his ex-girlfriend from catholic university of three years spoke out reluctantly because she said mark judge has been lying about what the culture was like at georgetown prep, which any person who s actually sentient knows. if you look at the yearbooks it s quite clear what was going on. we listened to brett kavanaugh in the interview claiming he s this churchgoing choirboy, studying all the time and doing all these things when in fact, when you look at his at his yearbook, that is not quite the picture that is painted. yeah. i mean and let me just say, i don t think there s anything wrong with that. i don t think that if he was partying in high school that s a problem. the problem is that he s lying. and if he s lying about this, what else is he lying about? why won t they have mark judge testify or at a minimu
my understanding from two people who were briefed on what took place, john kelly maid clear de expected the president was going to be quite angry about this. the president for whatever reason, whether because of the political ramifications which i do think is the main one, whether it s because he touched the hot stove once before by firing james comey and what he got as a result is robert mueller and doesn t want to go through that unknown again or whether he s distracted by brett kavanaugh or all of the above. he s not been extensively focused on this in the way we ve grown accustom to him being so. he might once he gets back from the u.n. general assembly on thursday and he turns his attention to this. one reason why we also heard what jim heard which is a bunch of white house officials thought that only the president could accept this resignation, i don t know how much of that is true or how much of that is an interpretive dance-around what the law says so that none of them have to
meeting on thursday is to distract from the kavanaugh hearings? my sense is today was really right out of the trump playbook. whenever they got problems, they go out and create some chaos. they create some distraction. we were getting reports on the hill that this was the smoke bomb today to distract from the kavanaugh allegations. again, the bottom line is a lot of us are very concerned about this. that bob mueller is really in a race against time, is that the president should not interfere with this investigation. senator ron wyden, appreciate your time. thank you. thank you. coming up, along those lines, our jeff toobin has just written a piece in the new yorker saying if rosenstein is out, then the mueller investigation could be, in his words, kind of toast. he s back along with preet bharara and i ll try not to sneeze during this next interview, next. people confuse nice and kind. but they re different. it s nice to remove artificial ingredients. kind never had to. we ch