with rod at that time. reporter: now, it s interesting, anderson, we understand that rod rosenstein, himself, thought earlier today that he was going to be fired because of all of this. and you notice some of the caution in the president s voice which raises the question why all of this caution? i was told by a source close to the white house earlier this evening that one of the concerns inside the white house, and among the president s supporters, is that this rosenstein story, this, you know, true or false, whether or not this is some kind of setup to trigger the president to do something drastic because anderson, as you and i both know, if the president were to fire rod rosenstein, it would really prompt a whole series of events that the white house may not be prepared for. is there any insight into what may or may not happen on thursday? reporter: anderson, i think that is a huge question. obviously, all of this is going to be happening on the same day that the kavanaugh hear
happened after the anita hill allegations were made public as well. the senate has interviewed all the things senator gillibrand said she wants to do, the senate judiciary committee has been doing. interviewing judge kavanaugh. interviewing the witnesses. they ve been trying to get participation by dr. ford, they ve been trying to get participation by the senate democrats. so things like interviewing her therapist, that would be great. she would have to participate to do the proper waivers to do that. she s been stonewalling them in terms of turning in the materials she needs to prepare for the hearing. why not the democrats have not been doing their part. what s that? why not have them then testify at the hearing? well, they would like to take the evidence first before the hearing. if you have the interviews under penalty of felony, you may not need to bring everything and ruin the hearing. dr. ford, herself, said she doesn t want this to turn into a circus. they re trying
part of the judicial system, as i ve said during my first my hearing, was process protects you. that s what judges believe. that s what our system is built on. the rule of law about fair process. since you were referenced, i wanted you to be able to respond. i ve heard from both sides, and i believe dr. blasey ford and i believe miss ramirez. both of their stories are credible. unlike his. where he wouldn t actually answer the question or say why he wouldn t be interviewed by the fbi. that s not the response of someone who wants to plead his innocence. i believe both of these women because there are corroborating witnesses who have testimony that is relevant to these accusations. dr. blasey ford told her therapist five years ago, and her husband, she told a friend a year ago. she told a reporter before kavanaugh was named. she s already submitted to a lie detector test and she s asking the fbi to do the investigation. that, to me, is credible. those are the hallmarks of truth. an
yorker piece. you have a witness from the times saying he s 100% sure that he learned about the relevant facts of this incident the same day or the day after. you have a corroborating witness. those witnesses should be called. they should be allowed to testify. deborah ramirez should be allowed to be heard. again, she s asking for the facts to be developed by a nonpartisan professional investigative body, the fbi, and what does the white house have to hide? what does judge kavanaugh have to hide? why will the senate republicans not allow a fair process? one that was even followed in the anita hill hearings which are largely considered to be low moments of the u.s. senate. and so it s shocking to me that they re unwilling to do the basics, to have a fair hearing, to get not only corroborating witnesses to testify, to have mark judge testify under oath and to allow both of these witnesses to be heard. senator gillibrand, appreciate your time. thank you. thank you. joining us now
have the two main people here then have outside counsel having doing the questioning. i think the real problem here is that we have a pattern of everything is not turning these uncorroborated allegations into simply discredited allegations. jeff? everyone who said they were there, she said was there, says it didn t even happen. there s that s not what they ve said. that s actually not what she said. you have to stop saying that. there s a very big difference between someone saying something didn t happen and they don t remember it. especially when dr. ford, herself, has said she didn t tell them. so why would they know about it? so the idea that they they said they were never at the party that she claimed that it happened. you know, carrie keeps saying that s different. carrie keeps saying this is a real investigation being run by the judiciary committee. it s not. it s a kangaroo court because the committee staff that is so-called doing the so-called investig