topography is such that a border wall like a great wall of china does not work. i m not sure if it s enough for some of his supporters who voted for him, precisely because of this. but they also voted for him saying that mexico was going to pay or this wall. and they have moved from that, right? now they are okay with the american taxpayer paying for this wall because they know mexico is not going to pay for this wall. and they re willing to go to a government shutdown. listen, sitting here in an air conditioned tv studio, i am not willing to dismiss the pain and suffering of federal workers, some of whom, a lot of whom live paycheck to paycheck, who have to pay rent, who have to pay kids tuitions, who have to pay clothes, christmas gifts, people who have to keep national parks open, families, all sorts of american families who are planning to go visit the capital or visit national parks. i am not willing to dismiss the pain of those people because i m not going to be affected. i thin
happen. now he s in a hole. period. now he s in a hole of his own making. he s a great builder. he dug a big hole. now he s in it. i believe this is still going to happen. he has to make it happen, by the way. the congress has abdicated its responsibility to secure our american border. however, that doesn t absolve the president of his responsibility. you re going to give more money, anna, you re going to give more money for security? i think the best way is to trade daca for the wall. it s not going to happen because you guys didn t let that bill happen. that s when all the old white men came to the president and said that s a clean chain migration, right, family reunification, they wouldn t give it to him. right. anna, go ahead. for almost a year we heard and even after being elected president we heard donald trump go to rallies and fan the flames of his supporters saying, we need a wall and who is going to pay for it? build that wall. mexico will.
i am not willing to dismiss the pain of those people because i m not going to be affected. i think some people may. that s not me. let s look, the reality of furlough, steve, you know, it creates cash flow issues for people who don t have huge savings. they wind up getting paid at some point. right. time, value and money matters when you re living paycheck to paycheck and a lot of working people are. sure. the reason i said one at a time to you, put up the president s tweet when he talked about winning on this issue. so many money has been poured down the drain. when it comes to border security and military, people fight to the death. we want a military completely rebuilt. not really true. one way or the other, we re going to win on the wall. look, winning, not winning, that s politics. you re not going to stop that game. but i m telling you, you are never going to have a brand-new wall built. any who works down on the border who is in a command position knows that. and by
done. look at these two god forbids we just dealt with. the 7-year-old girl, the 5 month old. people want to say they did something wrong to the kids. i see no proof of that, but there is a culprit. you know who the culprit is? congress. and you know why? because that system is busted. and the rules don t match the resources. they are overwhelmed. i ve been there i ve been down there many times, by the way. not just this last trip. i ve never seen care vans that size. nobody has. physical barrier matters, it s not a panacea. you play this game with the wall as if it s one and done. don t put words in my mouth, chris. i m not talking about you, i m talking about the president. the wall solves the problem at the border. the border is not the entire problem. if you had cancer in one part of your body and not in another it exacerbates it. if you had a wall like you want everywhere you know what
gop support is 67-19. people in your party resonate off this issue. anna, here s what i never understood about this. i m not a rue about politics. don t get me wrong. you heard what the president said. it s going to have slats in it. do you know why he said that? i m not a mind reader, but i know the answer do this question. that s what s there now. that s what was always going to be there. he was never going to build a brand-new wall. the cbp union that you re talking about, steve, i ve talked to those men and women. they didn t want a brand-new wall. they want to fix what s there, add to what s there, give them the technology they need. i get that s not as sexy as saying give us a brand-new wall like the wall of china and a big door and all that stuff. that wasn t going to happen anyway, anna. couldn t he say give us more money to make us safer on the border than we ve ever been before? they ll have what they need, the border will be safer than ever. would that be enough? look, it