convinced not so much a wall, sir, let s go for a different kind of electionan troic surveillance, different kinds of security, border security overall. is it the president? or is it his base that needs to be convinced that this would be a good thing? or is it the president s job to convince his base? it is the president s job to lead. leadership choirs clear communication which requires you to have a vision of where you want to go and to bring the country. he had a message during the campaign. that was he was talking about immigration as it related to jobs and the wall sort of symbolized all of that. but then he went into this mexico is going the pay for it. then he got stuck on building an actual wall. again, it just doesn t technologically doesn t make sense. it is a big waste of money. it is not really going to solve immigration. by the i with a, visa overstays account for far farer mo of the majority of the illegal immigration. and frankly most of those are actually from canada,
election that s upcoming. number two, nancy pelosi has her speaking vote coming up in january. she is under pressure from the left not to accept certainly any wall. i don t see any compromise coming any time soon. i think this actually goes into the new year. okay. so here s a good question for you, abigail, if congress comes up with a magic number how can republicans actually count on the president s wouldrd? look what he did this week, a complete about-face. i think you hit the nail on the head in terms of what the problem is. i think one of the issues why you are seeing so much frustration on capitol hill is the fact that the president hasn t been clear as to what he would specifically would or would not sign. he shifted his own goal posts around, is it a wall, is it steel slats, is it x, y, z, is it border security. as you mentioned earlier his tweet language was border security, it wasn t a you will with a. i think one of the sticking
we combat that. the wall is not going to help with any of that. let s go to the senate floor and listen to senator chuck schumer. taxpayer to pony up for an expensive and ineffective border wall in a the president promised mexico would pay for it make no mistake, the trump shutdown is not about bore kerr security. all of the proposals we have made continue over $1 billion in new border security money, the same amount allocated last year by both parties and even the president agreed to. and the trump administration has barely even spent any of the border security money from last year. so the trump shutdown isn t over border security. it s because president trump is demanding billions of dollars for an expensive, ineffective wall that the majority of americans don t support. let me remind you, the president calls for a shutdown no less
bill. but president trump, beholden to the far, far right, unwilling to shoulder even the slightest critique from rush limbaugh or laura ingraham didn t sign on to the bill signed napoli by all parties in this chamber and he sent his allies off to tilt at wind mills. everyone knew yesterday long before the house vote that the president s wall lacked 60 votes in the senate. it has proven to, la even 50 votes. it will never pass the senate. not today. not next week. not next year. so, mr. president, president trump, if you want to open the government, you must abandon the wall. plain and simple. the senate is not interesting in swindling american taxpayers for
security. doesn t specify a wall. do you think security will play the same with this base? if ann coulter and rush limbaugh are any indication no. they are saying you need to build this wall. it is what you promised, what you have said all along. even though experts always said it would make no sense to build a wall, it was much better enforced through a variety of different measures. that s the compromise democrats and republicans are talking about, redirecting the money to go into other border security efforts that make much more common cents. but is that something the base is going to accept and still say this is a victory for the president. jay, and bob, and abigail, thank you very much for this conversation. i appreciate it. right now on deck we have democratic congressman ted lieu of california. he of course a emin of both the