those rats that come out of those nest have to go someplace and they are more sophisticated at bomb making and causing evil than some kid like this. harris: that s an interesting thought, the scorpions that are nesting, they wanted to make their caliphate isis and we you were just listening to catherine, we haven t heard anybody step up and take responsibility in terms of the chatter and pop-up sites that give support to what s happening. one last question for you with regard to how we deal with this in the future, we may not have been able to prevent this but what we do at this point is really important. what are they doing right now, specifically what are they looking for that you think is illuminating? they are peeling this guy apart right now, taking all his electronics, cell phone, computer, anything he said at work if he has a job, who we came into the country with, who
and unfortunately, you know, this is the tactic of choice now. it requires no training, it requires also, of course, you re not buying weapons or buying chemicals for bomb making or going overseas for training. the kinds of things that would bring you to the attention of law enforcement. they re very hard to guard against. we ve got the thanksgiving parade coming up in new york. new york police department does a pretty good job of kind of trying to wall off these kind of key events to vehicle traffic, but you can t protect against everything. but certainly when these big events coming up that s certainly something law enforcement needs to consider. paul, i mean, there was the attack in chelsea last year where a bomb was actually detonated but no one was killed. this is the first terror attack in new york where there have been fatalities since 9/11. that s right, the first one, jihadi terrorist attack with fatalities since 9/11. that attempted attack, bombing in chelsea, we covered
with me in national security analyst peter bergen. there have been a number of close calls since 9/11. plots foiled, attackers caught, none of those attacks have been like this attack today, however. a number of attacks in that piece for informant driven. lucky they they didn t pan out. but it shows from a terrorist perspective, they re like school shooters, they learn from other inciden incidents. we ve seen 15 of these attacks in the west since 2014. they killed 142 people including the eight people who were killed today in manhattan. unfortunately this is the tactic of choice now, it requires no training, it repairs also you re not buying weapons or buying chemicals for bomb making or going overseas for training, e
take when i saw the van that ran over the pe dst rans yesterday when it was breaking live on the ali velshi, andrea mitchell, is who would rent this van to run over pedestrians? i would rent a much larger truck. if you look at all the attacks, nice, you usually see larger trucks or lorries that have been used, stockholm, bigger trucks. you mean that s what police are on the lookout for or you just think they re not very sophisticated? i think originally, depending on the time line, maybe it went down like this it was going to be a bomb plot. three vans like the white van in the pedestrian mall, filled with gas canisters, put around city, barcelona, cambrils, and detonated. that might have been the original plot. what happened, the bomb maker bomb making is dangerous. there s no typos in bomb making. if you cross the red wire with the blue v blue wire, it s over for you. i think what happens is maybe
out the specifics behind the perpetrators here. eggs, maria. but happiness we first got her big and 17 as quickly as possible, same thing the london authorities said last night. secure the scene, go through it in process of looking for dna, forensics, bomb making. any possible link to the individuals involved in anyone who may have helped in the provided statistical support. you start running down tips and leads at the same time. you got to deploy a large number of highly visible throughout the entire cities so that you can get on with the day-to-day operations of the city and at the same time focus on investigation it requires intense resources. maria: we know that 12 people are being investigated right now in connection with the three attackers who police shot and killed. does that look to you, does it