bloomberg, bobby gosh, and bianna golodryga. that s interesting, isn t it? he s going to have some kind of engagement. th they re really trying to distance biden as much as they can from the crown prince. we can see what s happening here, don t youy? if he goes saudi arabia and doesn t meet with the crown prince, it is a failure. the crown prince rules that country. king salman is not running the country. he s aged, he s indiindissupose. they can dress this up as much as they like. because biden painted himself into a corner with the pariah statement, but the rude fact is that oil prices are high, he s going to the world s largest oil producer, he needs them to open the taps and there is only one
then ukraine should at least have an opportunity to be an observer. well, i mean, that s that could be the case too. personally, i think we should walk out of the g20. who wants to sit in a room with a war criminal and talk about things when we ve got a war that he has started going on in ukraine? i m not sure how we could do that in an honest way. maybe we send a lower-ranking official to go. but i don t think we can have something even the semblance of business as usual, so i think there s some options that the president is looking at. i hope he chooses one where he s not present. bobby, we talked to cal at the top of the hour about that daylight between what it is ukrainians want, what zelenskyy is asking for, what they are getting. can you help us evaluate the why there is this still just about the delicate dance of avoiding escalation or is there more to the calculus? well, there s a lot more that can be given to ukraine in terms of weapons that their army,
the past few years. bobby, i know evelyn brought up this idea of a limited no-fly zone. i watched as you shook your head in disagreement, so i want to bring you in on that. well, i don t think that is how first of all, that is not what zelenskyy s asking for. not asking for a limited no-fly zone. he s asking for a no-fly zone. period. and secondly, i am very skeptical that you can be a little bit pregnant. i don t think they can be a partial no-fly zone. i think and i m also very skeptical, we ve become skeptical when it comes to predicting what putin will and will not do. i am not at all confident that if a limited no-fly zone is announced, that he won t test the borders of that and that he would not test nato s resolve. testing nato s resolve is pretty much what he s done. he has miscalculated over and over again. we should not say he s learning any lesssons from that. it s not saying he won t miscalculate again. and of course, not at least for the ukrainians themselves. ev
to ukraine? well, first of all, i think it s important, alicia, to remember, we are giving him help, so president biden and the allies really stepped up, including, of course, the germans, which you remember, they were hesitant initially. so, we have really stepped up and we are providing help and there s more going in, and the administration, i think, has learned a lesson here, they don t want to talk specifically about systems. that s my understanding now. but we will see the fruits of their assistance to ukraine coming up soon. i do want to make a comment, though, to bobby s no about the no-fly zone. there are different kinds of no-fly zones and the traditional no-fly zone, the military one, involves actually taking out any threat, so i think that would be too dangerous for nato. but if we needed to, if the only way to save lives would be to have a humanitarian corridor that would be protected from the air, then i would advocate for a no-fly zone. and the other thing i just want
and then you have, today, along the sea of azov, you have this ship being sunk in very shallow water so the ukrainian military, which again is being supplied by countries across europe, is able to now not just push the russian army back, but in places, perhaps, and certainly around the capital, seems to be the case, entrap groups of russian soldiers, alicia. cal perry for us in lviv, ukraine. cal, as always, thank you. joining our coverage, evelyn farkas, former senior advisor to the supreme allied commander for europe and former department assistant secretary of defense for russia, ukraine, and eurasia. jim townsend, and bobby gosh. thank you so much for being with us. evelyn, i want to circle back to the president s remarks from early this afternoon. one story has to do with hypothetical responses to a potential chemical weapons attack by russia and i want to play you some sound of what the president said and then we ll