the past few years. >> bobby, i know evelyn brought up this idea of a limited no-fly zone. i watched as you shook your head in disagreement, so i want to bring you in on that. >> well, i don't think that is how -- first of all, that is not what zelenskyy's asking for. not asking for a limited no-fly zone. he's asking for a no-fly zone. period. and secondly, i am very skeptical that you can be a little bit pregnant. i don't think they can be a partial no-fly zone. i think -- and i'm also very skeptical, we've become skeptical when it comes to predicting what putin will and will not do. i am not at all confident that if a limited no-fly zone is announced, that he won't test the borders of that and that he would not test nato's resolve. testing nato's resolve is pretty much what he's done. he has miscalculated over and over again. we should not say he's learning any lesssons from that. it's not saying he won't miscalculate again. and of course, not at least for the ukrainians themselves. >> evelyn, i wonder, for you,