potentially. those are all very important pieces of the investigation. look, we don t obviously know yet whether there was a direct criminal conspiracy here between the trump campaign and the russian government. if we do ever get an answer to that question, i don t think it was ever going to come from the senate intelligence committee. not to belittle their investigation, they ll have important findings for, for example, policy choices that congress needs to make. but they don t have the investigative tools that bob mueller has, intelligence he s been able to gather that they don t have access to. they don t have the threat of sending someone to jail to turn people into cooperating witnesses the way mueller has. underlying this entire debate, there s always been this question of whether we would find a criminal conspiracy. that doesn t mean there hasn t been collusion that s staring us right in the face. to some extent the collusion has been out in the open. we know whether there w
i don t think it s in their interest particular to bring him back for a two or three months farewell to her before he marie: i don t think democrats will. the democrats attacked you, for my own point of view, the bigger questions are what flynn has given up. what metaphor manafort has giv. cohen is indicative of how donald trump ran his personal life, but the big kahuna is what bob mueller has, what flynn and manafort gave on russia. that s what they will focus on in the next few months. melissa: katie, i heard of the people talking about us today with respect to flynn that he was never going to get sentenced and this idea that they stand up and say that he cooperated a whole lot that there isn t actually that much evidence for that. we could find out that he didn t cooperate very much, that that sort of a katie: i think we don t know. we don t know how much any of these witnesses in the mueller case have cooperated or not. bob mueller we keep hearing that he s wrapping u
and i rent a car to use in the bank robbery, i get a gun, i drive to the bank but i see the guards outside and i abandon my plans, guess what? i m guilty of attempted bank robbery. again, the only thing that roger stone adds to the dialogue is really carbon dioxide. beyond that, there is really no value to anything he says. we have to wait and see what bob mueller has. ben, you told the washington post, quote, that unless mueller has tape recordings of phone calls, what would would prove? so if mueller wants to prove these discussions indeed took place, how does he go about doing that if he does not have tape recordings? he does it through witnesses, and i m not sure whether there were tape recordings, but there w was. but we also know there are
the world that they can do what they want. there s a report out this weekend that indicates your committee you ll be the chairman of the house intelligence committee in january is stepping up on money laundering and forensic accounting experts. is that true? if so, why? i don t want to talk about our staffing but it is certainly true that one of the issues that the republicans would not allow us to investigate when they were running the committee and i don t think congress has looked into this at all, and i don t know that bob mueller has is whether the russians have been laundering money through the president s businesses and this is the financial hold that the russians may have. it would certainly explain the otherwise bewildering conduct of the president in helsinki, many of the president s comments about putin, why his sons have said they don t need money at u.s. banks, they need all the m money they get from russia or disproportionate of assets come from russia. is thi
have their back as long as they praise them, as long as they do business with him, and that cannot be our principle behind our foreign policy. there s a report out this weekend that indicates your committee you ll be the chairman of the house intelligence committee in january is stepping up on money laundering and forensic accounting experts. is that true? if so, why? i don t want to talk about our staffing, but it is certainly true that one of the issues that the republicans would not allow us to investigate when they were running the committee and i don t think congress has looked into this at all, and i don t know that bob mueller has is whether the russians have been laundering money through the president s businesses and this is the financial hold that the russians may have. it would certainly explain the otherwise bewildering conduct of the president in helsinki, many of the president s comments, pro-putin comments, would explain why his sons have said at times they d