you know, well-guarded, is very unusual, but, brooke, i mean, how did this guy know that? when you go down to the situation room there s a couple guys down there. you certainly, if you were a visitor, you wouldn t ask, what did you do with that conversation? that s what i find remarkable. is that this whistle-blower knew about that, this attempt to cover up. this is a couple people. it just isn t one. and on the couple people point, if the allegation is true, bob, what does it say that white house officials, lawyers, wanted to cover it up? you know, my guess, it s a palace coup against trump, and who knows what else they know at this point. but, you know, this is not an ordinary whistle-blower complaint. it is, like i said, well put together. well thought out. and handled exactly right within the limits of the law. and this is what has the president scared. these people know what they re
evidence. back to you. all right. all fascinating and very complex. thank you so much. all right. let s talk more now with me now aaron david miller. he spent more than two decade okay, aaron david miller is not with us, actually. all right. we have a little confusion here. yes, there you are. i see you now. aaron david miller is with us. he spent more than two decades as adviser and negotiator were republican and democratic negotiations and bob bair is former cia operative who served in several middle east country. good to see you. thank you so much. so b bob, you first because listening to our reporting from our fabulous correspondents there, it really paints the picture of how complicated and still mysterious all of this is.
if you make them feel pain and others feel pain, then possibility of deterring future conduct like this increases. that s what we need to do. reporter: today bob bair agrees. you go after putin s money, you go after the oligarchs. you hit they will in the pocket books. bolton is right. i don t usually agree with him but you have to make them feel pain. expelling 60 diplomats does not go far enough. russia sensing that something like the could be coming down the pike, for days has been trolling the u.s. on twitter. today they tweeted a poll asking people what u.s. consulate the in russia should be shut down. we heard trump administration officials warn russia back saying if russia does retaliate, the u.s. could take further action. all right. at the state department, michelle, thank you very much. joining me now, ben cardin of maryland. senator, you ve been very
speaker paul ryan was informed of this move by telephone, which appears to be more than rex tillerson was given. we are are told that he found out about this on twitter, reading the president s tweet. joined again by bob bair to get a sense of what this all means, bigger picture. we keep hearing from inside the white house that north korea, the impending meeting between the president and kim jong-un was a big part of this. we re told it made the president realize he just wanted someone who was more on his wave length in that job. well, john, tillerson is right, meetings like this, summits like this with an enemy have to be carefully planned. nixon s trip to china was done by kissinger months in advance. you lay the groundwork. and this came as a surprise to tillerson. tillerson said don t do it until we re prepared and the president has decided on his own to go meet the north korean leader, very risky meeting, could make
so when we have an animal do an attack like he did the other day on the west side of manhattan, we are hitting them ten times harder. yet the administration has provided no evidence of that. data provide d by the pentagon shows herbally no change on isis targets and certainly not tenfold. outfront now, bob bair and cedrick layton. if they are hitting ten times ha harder, wouldn t that be huge and wouldn t we know about snit. we certainly would. there are enough correspondents out there that would tell us something is going on and you would see basically instead of 13 or ten story, you d see anywhere from 100 to 130 flown in against isis targets and that is just not happening in isis controlled areas of syria or iraq at the time. bob, so if the president not