numbers we saw $1.2 trillion in spending cuts over ten years when the debt is going up $10 trillion in ten years and tax increases. i don t think we have seen a plan on the table that would do that. i have been a big critic of the majority leader in the senate because we have not had a budget process. we have no real bill put forward. the president hasn t spelled out anything yet in writing. he talks numbers but when you read the details, they are not there. they have avoided accountability and any real votes. that s a mistake, i think. it s put us in a position where at the last minute, as i predicted, we ll have all kind of complex legislation and wheeling and dealing and the attempt to avoid a crisis. mika, that is the point republicans will say repeatedly. they have a good point.
by, that s our concern. that s what we continue we hope we can get. neil: you are closer to this than i will ever be. my view is that a deal isn t going to be reached in time. then we go into the sort of the twilight zone, where the president is deciding what bills are going to get a. presumably, if you have your way, jet republicans, social security, soldiers and the like. how long do you think that could go on? how risk as the days and weeks go by in that environment does a default get? who knows. we all want to get something passed. there s only one bill put in bill for bill form debated passed in one house that had bipartisan support that will prevent a downgrade that fix the problem and the american people will support that s the bill that harry reid wouldn t bring up for a vote.
where everybody has to abide by, that s our concern. that s what we continue we hope we can get. neil: you are closer to this than i will ever be. my view is that a deal isn t going to be reached in time. then we go into the sort of the twilight zone, where the president is deciding what bills are going to get a. presumably, if you have your way, jet republicans, social security, soldiers and the like. how long do you think that could go on? how risk as the days and weeks go by in that environment does a default get? who knows. we all want to get something passed. there s only one bill put in bill for bill form debated passed in one house that had bipartisan support that will prevent a downgrade that fix the problem and the american people will support that s the bill that harry reid wouldn t
concerning public employees, including collective bargaining powers, scheduled to compensation, and procedures and. rick: that was the scene, yesterday, in the ohio state house, as lawmakers voted to approve the budget bill, it affects safety workers, teachers, nurses, safety workers, meaning firemen, police officers, other types of government personnel, unions will be able to negotiate wages but will not be able to negotiate health care, sick time, pension benefits, and the bill eliminates automatic pay increases and replaces them with merit-based raises, or performance pay. and keith faber is a republican state senator, president pro tempore in ohio and the vice chair of the state s insurance, commerce and labor committee, good morning, sir, thanks for being here. good morning, thank you for having me. rick: your state has an $8 billion budget deficit. how much money will this bill put back into the coffers towards reducing the deficit, a specific dollar amount, please.
difference from the cbo estimate. if they have to estimate what s put in front of them and that s this bill put in front of them with all these budget gimmicks and smoke and mirrors. that shep is, a key battleground in this state. shepard: they keep talking about budget deficits and smoke and mirrors. do we have examples on. this yeah. there are some examples. for instance, when they were originally looking on the bill it looked too expensive so democrats stripped out part of the bill. the one that would have prevented steep cuts in fees to doctors who treat medicare patients. but that was then passed separately, outside the health care bill, adding $200 billion to the deficit but making the law look look less expensive on paper. but not in reality. now, shep, late today, the cbo released some new numbers, saying that the health care bill, health care law would, in fact, reduce the deficit by $230 billion if you go out to 2021. but only because it raises taxes