and there are genuine reasons to believe that scott perry has information that is relevant to this committee, that he was the one who helped broker the relationship between donald trump and jeff clark who was the would be attorney general who was going to help foster this idea of fraud in the election. and so they need this information. i think one of the things the committee has done well is issuing these letters from chairman thompson to explain why it is they want these witnesses to come and testify. if they want his testimony, they re going to be able to get it with a subpoena. congressman perry told the committee, as many people have tried to do, to go pound sand. and the committee is out with a new statement in response to being told to go pound stand. representative perry has information relevant to our investigation. the select committee prefers to gather relevant evidence from members cooperatively. if members with relevant information decline to cooperate and cover up, the
author of about a million books. the most recent one evil geniuses. barbara, i want to start with you about this subpoena thing. we keep saying that it s a rubicon to cross for the this committee to decide they re going to subpoena a sitting member of congress. is that as big a deal as we think it is? not only is it unusual, but like what are the actual practical implications and consequences of that as we look at them? well, john, as a matter of professional courtesy, members of congress are always very careful about how they treat their fellow members. the idea of questioning a fellow member of congress was already kind of out there. subpoenaing a fellow member of congress may strike some as a bridge too far. but i think, you know, the time has come and gone for niceties. we saw what happened on january 6th.
we all expected it to do, give us a comprehensive accounting of what took place on january 6th and go all the way to uncovering criminal conduct as well. from that reporting, quote, according to people briefed on their efforts, investigators for the committee are looking into whether a range of crimes were committed including wire fraud by republicans who raised millions of dollars off assertion that is the election was stolen, knowing the claims were not true, and whether mr. trump and his allies objected congress by trying to stop the certification of votes. the committee could send a criminal referral to the justice department and urge an investigation. barbara mcquade is here, former u.s. attorney and now an msnbc, clint watts, research fellow at the foreign policy research institute and curt anderson
further evidence of president trump s supreme dereliction of duty during those 187 minutes and mr. meadows testimony will bear on another key question before this committee, did donald trump, through action or inaction, corruptly seek to obstruct or impede congress s official proceedings to count electoral votes. is that the sound of a woman who is dead serious or someone who is playing politics? does this does liz cheney have the bit between her teeth here? what has to happen now to get the answers to the questions he s proving and prove that there is criminal conduct on the part of the president? the words she used there, john, really picked up my ears. those words she used were kind
analogous. there too, you do have, you know, bob holdman and john mitchell saying immediately after the as the crime was happening, mr. president, stop this, mr. president, stop this. and there you did here. so it s even more in a certain way egregious than what we saw 50 years ago. i would say so. i want to get one last thing in. we mentioned donald trump, jim jordan and scott perry. the full rogues gallery has not been complete for this block. we might as well talk about alex jones who is suing the january 6th committee in a bid to evade deposition. there s some nbc reporting about this. he says i offered to submit documents and answer written questions but the select committee won t take those. they demand that i have a deposition and i m not going to go. that s another version of what we ve seen from steve bannon and from mark meadows and others.