access to the presidency. you cannot make the assumption. so you can assume there was no quid pro quo and no crime there was the president of ukrain and president trump. and dozens of conversations before and after. you cannot make assumptions i don t have to. i ve read the transcripts. was there any of that in there? yes. did the president of the united states ever say that? gordon sondland is going to say if he sticks by what he said you re making an assumption againx chris. what he said already. if he says what he said already which is and now you coordinate it with what taylor staffer said and you get something you can t disown, he wanted the bidens and didn t want them to get the aid in ukrain. that s what he wanted.