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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20111008:10:20:00

kenny, kenny, you got to calm down. i can t. ken creamer was the picture of a grief-stricken man, but his answers, decided police, just didn t add up. what happened to ken s wife anna simply couldn t have been an accident, could it? they arrested him, charged him with murder. and what about the long, slow business of collecting evidence for a trial? detectives say what happened yesterday was no accident. this time, they say, it was a homicide. they put the boy into foster care briefly, and then he was taken away to live with anna s relatives. ken was denied bail and took up involuntary residence here in the virginia beach county jail. it was more than a year later when police, still preparing their case, mind you, asked neighbor randall howes for another interview. they had the pictures, crime scene photographs that i had not seen.

Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20111008:10:30:00

remember, howes told us he saw something in the garage that jumped out at him much later. a detail about to assume a huge importance. as howes stood there near anna s body, he testified, he was scanning the room, looking for the crossbow. on the far side of the refrigerator there was a cardboard box, and sitting on top of the cardboard box was the crossbow. i could see the front of it. mr. howes, i would like you to take a very careful look at that picture. you see a blue paper bag in front of the refrigerator in that picture, sir? yes, i do. was that blue paper bag in front of the refrigerator, as it is in that picture, when you went into the garage with mr. creamer? no, it wasn t. and there it was. the gotcha in the prosecution s case. here was an extremely credible witness, a military officer, whose memory strongly suggested that when howes stepped outside the garage that day to talk to the police, ken creamer still inside, moved that crossbow, staged the scene to make

Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20111008:10:19:00

i don t know. i don t know. sometimes she does she my wife does whatever she wants to do. you can tell her not to do something, and she ll do it. really? even after she d already been injured in that earlier crossbow incident, asked the interrogator? i didn t touch it. i didn t say you did. kenny, i didn t say you did. and only then it seemed to dawn on ken creamer that the man in the room did not believe him. we ve been married 13 years. never had one. never had a fight? never had a fight. never had one. my wife did whatever she wants. i m asking you for the investigation, ken. i didn t you need to relax. i mean, i love my wife so much. i know you do. why would i i would never do anything to my wife and i love my son dearly. of course, ken creamer was exactly right, this officer was very suspicious of him. i don t know! anna would put a loaded crossbow i don t know! i don t know! okay.

Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20111008:10:48:00

have done what it did. and none of the positions this bag was in made any sense whatsoever, with the weapon inside of it. it just didn t make sense. we couldn t figure it out. we couldn t find a good exit hole. there was no rip in it. there was no hole for the arrow. it didn t make sense. so if it couldn t have been an accident the second time, what about the first? this sounds like that to me already he s planning something. so now jury members realize they had formed strong opinions about mr. creamer. i just don t put any stock in anything he says. you know, i don t trust the guy. and once they decided that about ken creamer, members of the jury began to look at the marriage with anna in a whole new way. remember, there was lots of evidence at the trial that suggested that the marriage was strong, that ken and anna were quite close. but once in the jury room, some of those members said, evidence or not, they saw it a different way. i think she was a woman that

Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20111008:10:37:00

incident, the one that injured anna, well, she, herself, said it was an accident, the teacher testified. she laughed about it. told me what happened and just that s about it. she was very lighthearted about the whole situation. as for those insurance policies, yes, they totaled over $1 million, but he had been an insurance agent, remember? those amounts were normal, said the defense. anna bought some of her himself. and all of them were written to benefit not ken but their son. still, that prosecution evidence was strong. the firearms expert, for example. in my examination of the crossbow, i found it to be in excellent mechanical operating condition, showing very little wear from very little use. the crossbow, he testified, simply could not have fired without someone pulling the trigger. but the expert only hit the weapon, he didn t testify by throwing it, which is what ken creamer said he had done.

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