so you re going to have at least as diverse as nancy pelosi is, probably heading forward for the democrats. of course, mark, she isn t in so many other ways, right? because she s the leadership here is much older, right? she s going to be 79 in march. that does not reflect what we saw among the wave that is coming in here, right? she s not reflective of that. at all. no, but congress as a whole is not reflective of that at all and this is one of those turning points, i think, that we ll see the congress change. but just worth noting, and marcia fudge might have made the argument for nancy pelosi to become speaker again. nancy pelosi made history when she came in and became the first woman speaker. marcia fudge correctly noted she was the speaker when democrats lost the majority. nancy pelosi does not want to go down in history as the speaker who lost the majority twice and going into 2020, when you have 20-plus democrats seriously thinking of running for president, house democrat
very testy figure and she has people that have said, we won t vote for her. it would be difficult for people that are coming, especially from districts that went with trump two years ago to say, actually, we changed our minds so she s got to win people back who have not made a hard no commitment to vote against her and try to win over the people who have with various things like committee assignments. this is the brokering that nancy pelosi is good at, though. this is what she s going to be you got to be tough and you know, i don t want to use a pejorative word but you got to be tough to get these kinds of jobs. you don t just get there by being nice to people. mark, fudge, though, she is possibly a contender here, and she s being really direct about pelosi s qualifications. okay. sure, she s responsible for some wins but also here s fudge. she also was the person who over the last eight years lost seats. it s one thing to give people credit for win if anything you also make them
stay with me. i want to bring in the congressional reporter for the washington post and our political analyst, ann mark preston, also senior political analyst. manu just mentioned marcia fudge and the name keeps coming up as a real challenger to pelosi. the ohio congresswoman spoke to cnn today pretty extensively. are you surprised that this anti-pelosi movement hasn t gone away? i mean, there s clearly a lot of people who really resent her. right. i mean, it s not surprising given that this has started with seth molten as the leader. also, a lot of the people that were campaigning to get the congress in this last election cycle did so promising to not vote for pelosi or they were wishy-washy on her or didn t want to bring it up because nobody was quite sure how she played out. as it turns out, she helped orchestrate a winning strategy for the democrats to win the majority back but she s been a
sounds like she s ready to fight, mark. seems ready to fight. a couple things going on here, which i think is really interesting. i m not sure if i know anybody in washington that is going to be betting against nancy pelosi right now. is the marcia fudge challenge right now a serious challenge? it s serious in the fact that you have democrats after winning back the house of representatives are now infighting right now. there is no real deep bench of younger lawmakers that could come up immediately and fill these roles, so that s interesting. it s also interesting as well to see marcia fudge and see where the congressional black caucus comes down. she used to lead that organization. they are strong allies of nancy pelosi. john lewis just released a letter, clearly timed politically, a couple hours ago saying he was endorsing nancy pelosi to be the next speaker so this is going to get very ugly and certainly over the next couple of weeks if not month or so. manu, let me play anothe