wants to use. still, trump is leaving room for doubt that he was using giuliani or aware of his actions. he s done a lot of work in ukraine over the years, and i think i mean, that s what i heard. i think that s what i heard. as the president attempts to keep rudy at arm s length and damaging allegations pile up about giuliani s activities abroad, it is worth pausing to note that this was once the man known as america s mayor ask in the post-9/11 trauma, giuliani was inspiring in a moment of extreme crisis. time magazine named giuliani its person of the year, and his history was complicated and that s something my next guest understands better than most. before 9/11, andrew kurtman wrote giuliani, emperor of the city, his marital misfortunes and details of his turbulent years as the big apple s mayor,
and his story did not end there. andrew, good to have you with me. you are working on a new book about giuliani. that s right. you started covering him as a city hall reporter in the 90s? that s right. is this where you saw his story going? no. no. giuliani was always kind of a risk taker and kind of a combustible kind of public figure, but he always had kind of a discipline, and so he picked his targets very carefully and kind of aimed his fire very carefully here. there seems to be kind of a more undisciplined quality. also, you know, the risks he has taken in the last few years has been of a whole other proportion to what he had done in the past. i mean, looking for dirt on joe biden in ukraine was remarkable enough, but now it seems as though there was a financial incentive as well and the people in ukraine he was speaking with
who have caused him embarrassment. there wasn t a single aide more loyal than giuliani. giuliani is on the brink of indictment according to some reports. at some point trump will have to cut him loose and then it will be interesting because giuliani won t go quietly. andrew, thank you very much and good luck with your next book? thank you. former new york city mayor michael bloomberg has launched his 2020 campaign with a $58 million ad buy. will it be enough to capture the nomination? an adviser joins me next to discuss that.